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Englisch translation: internal power struggles



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Französisch Begriff oder Satz:contestation des hiérarchies
Englisch Übersetzung: internal power struggles
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Übersetzungen Französisch > Englisch [PRO]
Art/Literary - Archäologie / archaeology
Französisch Begriff oder Satz: sentence
Cette contestation des hiérarchies pourrait expliquer que le stade des chefferies n\'est jamais dépassé.

Bronze Age \'politics\'
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These internal power struggles may explain why it is that
Erklärung:
[what ever it was] never developed beyond the stage of petty chiefdoms.

I.e., the energies of the society were so consumed by fratricidal (figuratively or literally) power stuggles that power was never suffiently concentrated to allow for a larger political unit to emerge, and nothing larger than a "chiefdom" ("petty" emphasises the lowly status of the term) could be formed.

Similar occurances can be seen in various periods : the Greek city-states (*relatively* speaking, "petty chiefdoms") never gave up their fratricidal quarrelling and became anything like a unified "state" until the time of the conquest by Alexander.

And the "Merovingian" period (6th-8th centuries) in France was marked by endless fratricidal (literally) power struggles which kept the "kingdom" --which was a kingdom in name only-- from becomming a truely united political unit until the comming of the Carolingian dynasty and, especially, of Charlemage.

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Note added at 2003-07-21 15:31:30 (GMT)
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Should be : \"...internal power stuggles *among the elites*...\"
Or, whoever it was that was engaged in these \"contestations\".
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Christopher Crockett
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ZUSAMMENFASSUNG ALLER ÜBERSETZUNGEN (ENGLISCH)
4 +2My version
William Stein
5This contest for hierarchy might explain why xxx never progressed beyond the level of chiefdomsmportal
4 +1This hierarchical dispute could explain why
roneill
5 -1This contention for mastery might explain why rural fiefdoms still exist
Charon
4This hierarchical jockeing could explain why the chiefdom model is never abandoned
Carolingua
1 +2These internal power struggles may explain why it is that
Christopher Crockett
3This dispute over hierarchy may explain why the chiefdom age is never overridden
gradiva


  


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4 Min.   Antwortsicherheit: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 Zustimmung (Netto): +2
My version

Erklärung:
This contestation of the hierarchies might explain why the society never progressed beyond the level of chiefdoms.


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William Stein
Vereinigte Staaten
Muttersprache: Englisch
PRO-Punkte in Kategorie: 16

Kommentare zu dieser Antwort (und Antworten vom Beantworter der Frage)
Zustimmung Christopher Crockett: Yes, though I don't care for "contestation", which has a rather archaic flavor to it, to my ear at least.
16 Min.

Zustimmung Mario Marcolin: or strife
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4 Min.   Antwortsicherheit: Answerer confidence 5/5 Zustimmung (Netto): -1
This contention for mastery might explain why rural fiefdoms still exist

Erklärung:
my solution

Charon
Deutschland
Muttersprache: Deutsch

Kommentare zu dieser Antwort (und Antworten vom Beantworter der Frage)
Neutraler Kommentar Christopher Crockett: I like "contention for mastery" better than "contestation", but I doubt if these "rural fiefdoms" "still exist".
18 Min.

Widerspruch Nooz: Of course they don't still exist, the sentence is set in the Bronze Age.
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18 Min.   Antwortsicherheit: Answerer confidence 1/5Answerer confidence 1/5 Zustimmung (Netto): +2
These internal power struggles may explain why it is that

Erklärung:
[what ever it was] never developed beyond the stage of petty chiefdoms.

I.e., the energies of the society were so consumed by fratricidal (figuratively or literally) power stuggles that power was never suffiently concentrated to allow for a larger political unit to emerge, and nothing larger than a "chiefdom" ("petty" emphasises the lowly status of the term) could be formed.

Similar occurances can be seen in various periods : the Greek city-states (*relatively* speaking, "petty chiefdoms") never gave up their fratricidal quarrelling and became anything like a unified "state" until the time of the conquest by Alexander.

And the "Merovingian" period (6th-8th centuries) in France was marked by endless fratricidal (literally) power struggles which kept the "kingdom" --which was a kingdom in name only-- from becomming a truely united political unit until the comming of the Carolingian dynasty and, especially, of Charlemage.

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Note added at 2003-07-21 15:31:30 (GMT)
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Should be : \"...internal power stuggles *among the elites*...\"
Or, whoever it was that was engaged in these \"contestations\".


Christopher Crockett
Vereinigte Staaten
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PRO-Punkte in Kategorie: 32

Kommentare zu dieser Antwort (und Antworten vom Beantworter der Frage)
Zustimmung Nooz: The sentence in French seems odd, truncated. Not enough context.
1 Stunde
  -> Yes, presumably it comes at the end of a longer discussion of just what these "contestations" were. Thanks, Nooz.

Zustimmung Parrot: sounds cohesive
1 Stunde
  -> Cohesiveness is an important Bronze Age invention. Thanks, Parrot.
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24 Min.   Antwortsicherheit: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 Zustimmung (Netto): +1
This hierarchical dispute could explain why

Erklärung:
the society never moved past the age of chiefdoms.

I guess it was easier to have one despotic type of ruler rather than a more complocated layered leadership model

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Note added at 26 mins (2003-07-21 15:36:16 GMT)
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Complicated- sorry, typo

roneill
Vereinigte Staaten
Muttersprache: Englisch

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Zustimmung Christopher Crockett: Quite possible, if it fits the context we are not give.
1 Stunde
  -> Yes, we are not spoiled for context.
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4 Stunden   Antwortsicherheit: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
This hierarchical jockeing could explain why the chiefdom model is never abandoned

Erklärung:
From what I understand the sentence is saying that in a hierarchical model(or layered power structure), people kept challenging each other or jockeying for position (to "jockey" is to maneuver for a certain position or advantage), and that therefore the chiefdom model (where one person had absolute power) proved to have the most staying power in this era.



Carolingua
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8 Stunden   Antwortsicherheit: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
This dispute over hierarchy may explain why the chiefdom age is never overridden

Erklärung:
overridden dans le sens de "passer outre"

gradiva
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Muttersprache: Französisch
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20 Stunden   Antwortsicherheit: Answerer confidence 5/5
This contest for hierarchy might explain why xxx never progressed beyond the level of chiefdoms

Erklärung:
I agree with the gist of the first answer, but would express it slightly differently

mportal
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Muttersprache: Englisch
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