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Französisch: ordonné sous astreinte

Englisch translation: ordered upon penalty







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Französisch Begriff oder Satz: ordonné sous astreinte
Englisch Übersetzung:ordered upon penalty
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Übersetzungen Französisch > Englisch [PRO]
Law/Patents - Recht (allgemein) / law
Französisch Begriff oder Satz: ordonné sous astreinte
L’affaire opposait une société engagée dans une activité
d’exploitation de paris en ligne sur des courses hippiques. Le juge des référés avait *ordonné sous astreinte* l’arrêt de cette activité en ce qu’elle portait atteinte au droit exclusif réservé par la loi au PMU pour organiser des paris sur les courses de chevaux se déroulant dans le pays.

S S
Mauritius
ordered upon penalty
Erklärung:
i,e, with a penalty if thet disobey the order

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Chemunity - Pragmatic Procurement of Chemicals
Start Chemical Trading Exchange via The Internet ... buying (or delivering) the goods ordered, upon penalty of a fine, which can ...www.chemunity.com/press/press_rel_1.asp - 20k - Cached
blog.myspace.com/janabelle2002
MySpace Blog, Janabelle, The Danish Diaries: A Losing Battle? ... Okay, my good friend Sara challenged (ordered upon penalty of severe scolding! ...blog.myspace.com/janabelle2002 - 68k - Cached
Andrew's Mad Rant by Andrew Ian Murphy
Blogstream blog about ... See, most of you guys involved in the conspiracy have very ... the conspiracy is ordered upon penalty of criminal prosecution, ...andrewsmadrant.blogstream.com/v1/pid/218319.html - 19k

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The Judge ordered, upon penalty, the cessation of this activity...etc.
i.e. the Judge has not specified the penalty (he doesn't have to, he is simply issuing a warning to enforce compliance)









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AllegroTrans
Vereinigtes Königreich
Hinweis von Fragesteller an den Antwortenden
Thanks to you all.
I chose "ordered, upon penalty, ..."
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ZUSAMMENFASSUNG ALLER ÜBERSETZUNGEN (ENGLISCH)
4 +1ordered under penalty by law
Katarina Peters
4ordered under threat of a periodic penaltywakky
4upon penalty of X
Graham macLachlan
4ordered upon penalty
AllegroTrans


  

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9 Min.   Antwortsicherheit: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 Zustimmung (Netto): +1
ordered under penalty by law

Erklärung:
the usual legal expression

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sorry, that should read "ordered under penalty of law" (not "by")

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www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1312201 - 21k

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www.scc.virginia.gov/division/srf/forms/formc.pdf -

Katarina Peters
Kanada
Spezialgebiet
Muttersprache: Ungarisch, Englisch
PRO-Punkte in Kategorie: 62

Kommentare zu dieser Antwort (und Antworten vom Beantworter der Frage)
Zustimmung AllegroTrans: I will agree, to show you I am not biased in favour of my answer!! We are both of us correct, IMHO...
9 Stunden
  -> Thanks, Allegro, I appreciate your fairness...and I posted my answer to your comment below...and even though Google is not the final authority, you have to admit the huge difference between 26 thousand and 2 million...

Neutraler Kommentar writeaway: try Googling "ordered under penalty by law". it's not the usual legal expression. "ordered under penalty of law" doesn't fare much better.
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1 Stunde   Antwortsicherheit: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
upon penalty of X

Erklärung:
The wording in UK English goes something like "the judge ordered him to stop upon penalty of a fine/term of imprisonment, etc." ie the penalty must be expressed!

how do you get round this? do you know what the potential penalty is?

Bridge's Legal Dictionary gives "astreinte" as "penalty" and "coercive fine", so it might be a not too risky guess to use the word "fine".

The coroner can compel the attendance of a witness upon penalty of a fine and possibly imprisonment in extreme cases. Further, subject to a proviso against ...
www.onmedica.net/content.asp?c=949&t=3

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As far as I can see "under/upon/on penalty of law" is like "under risk of prosecution" ie, the penalty is legal proceedings, whereas in this case the person has clearly been brought before the court and has been ordered to do something which if he doesn't he will incur some kind of punishment.

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on penalty of, under penalty of = under the threat of.
OED

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astreinte nf
Jur. periodic penalty payment, daily fine for delay (in performance of contract or in payment of debt);

Hachette/Oxford

Graham macLachlan
Frankreich
Spezialgebiet
Muttersprache: Englisch
PRO-Punkte in Kategorie: 218

Kommentare zu dieser Antwort (und Antworten vom Beantworter der Frage)
Neutraler Kommentar AllegroTrans: I agree it's a penalty but your construction will not fit unless you omit "of X"
7 Stunden
  -> is the OED not good enough as a ref? also 0 UK Ghits for ""ordered upon penalty""

Neutraler Kommentar writeaway: isn't your answer a repeat of AllegroTrans.you've just kept adding on variations as you found them. term of imprisonment is way off the mark./the inclusion of imprisonment as a meaning for astreinte shows guessing/astreinte is financial penalty ie a fine
16 Stunden
  -> indeed I added references as I found them, what's wrong with that? Does it show me up for being some kind of charlatan?//penalty means punishment, as I said in my answer it is most likely a fine, but penalty does not exclusively mean fine
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9 Min.   Antwortsicherheit: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
ordered upon penalty

Erklärung:
i,e, with a penalty if thet disobey the order

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Chemunity - Pragmatic Procurement of Chemicals
Start Chemical Trading Exchange via The Internet ... buying (or delivering) the goods ordered, upon penalty of a fine, which can ...www.chemunity.com/press/press_rel_1.asp - 20k - Cached
blog.myspace.com/janabelle2002
MySpace Blog, Janabelle, The Danish Diaries: A Losing Battle? ... Okay, my good friend Sara challenged (ordered upon penalty of severe scolding! ...blog.myspace.com/janabelle2002 - 68k - Cached
Andrew's Mad Rant by Andrew Ian Murphy
Blogstream blog about ... See, most of you guys involved in the conspiracy have very ... the conspiracy is ordered upon penalty of criminal prosecution, ...andrewsmadrant.blogstream.com/v1/pid/218319.html - 19k

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The Judge ordered, upon penalty, the cessation of this activity...etc.
i.e. the Judge has not specified the penalty (he doesn't have to, he is simply issuing a warning to enforce compliance)











AllegroTrans
Vereinigtes Königreich
Spezialgebiet
Muttersprache: Englisch
PRO-Punkte in Kategorie: 251
Hinweis von Fragesteller an den Antwortenden
Thanks to you all.
I chose "ordered, upon penalty, ..."

Kommentare zu dieser Antwort (und Antworten vom Beantworter der Frage)
Neutraler Kommentar Katarina Peters: upon??? you mean under, surely...//maybe in UK, but I only got 26,200 google hits for "upon penalty" against 2,120,000 for "under penalty"...be it as it may...//yes, that's why clicked neutral instead of a nasty and authoritative "disagree"...
3 Min.
  -> Which shows they are both valid terms, so why are you "neutral"?!! "only" 26,200 hits!!! Google is not the final arbiter of "valid" terms, surely legal dictionaries and texts are more reliable here

Neutraler Kommentar writeaway: comment under my now hidden answer "so they are being ordered to halt/stop the activity subject to /under penalty of paying a fine. sous astreinte would be clearer if there were commas." I see all that included in your 9 hour later add-on
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5 Tage   Antwortsicherheit: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
ordered under threat of a periodic penalty

Erklärung:
An astreinte is a fine that is calculated by time period (e.g. X euros per day, per month etc). The amount per day or month is established in the original proceedings, but there are separate proceedings to determine how much is ultimately payable if the defendant fails to comply with the judge's order.

wakky
Vereinigtes Königreich
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Muttersprache: Englisch
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