saveur propre - its own (intrinsic) value ( translation glossary) Philosophie,Geistes- und Sozialwissenschaften

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Französisch Begriff oder Satz:	saveur propre
Englisch Übersetzung:	its own (intrinsic) value
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2:25pm Sep 22, 2007

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Französisch Begriff oder Satz: saveur propre

Another whopper of a sentence.
I put saveur propre in the title because finding a nice translation for that is one of my issues, but in fact the whole final section from then on is causing me a headache. I'm pretty tired and think I need to take a break from this very dense text. I'll probably see things clearer later, but any suggestions in the meantime would be very helpful.

Very rough attempt:
as an object of desire, it is only ever sought for itself alone, not with an eye to obtaining an advantage.

Repousser le matérialisme est le devoir du savant qui doit pratiquer le détachement, fuir les honneurs et les flatteries nuisibles à la science qu’il recherchera pour sa saveur propre «car objet de désir, elle n’est jamais recherchée que pour elle-même, non en vue de l’obtention d’un avantage.»

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GWC- Claire: 3:36pm Sep 22, 2007: savoir - … lat. pop. … « avoir de la saveur », d’où « avoir de la pénétration », puis « comprendre » (Larousse dictionnaire d’étymologie)
Melissa McMahon: 12:23am Sep 23, 2007: Is this a contemporary text? Because that might affect the "saveur" (sorry ;)) of your final choice of words.

its own (intrinsic) value

Erklärung:
In other words, the researcher/academic should be detached from wordly goals and work simply for the sake of furthering scientific knowledge

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suezen
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Thanks very much everyone for your time and effort - especially on a weekend. I went with intrinsic value and later also used "for its own sake".
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for knowledge's sake

vera-tech

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its own (intrinsic) value

suezen

4 +1

own flavour

Kévin Bacquet

4 +1

(for its) inherent savor

siragui

as an end in itself

Carol Gullidge

own benefit/for pleasure's sake

Emma Paulay

sugg

noemy

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its own (intrinsic) value

Erklärung:
In other words, the researcher/academic should be detached from wordly goals and work simply for the sake of furthering scientific knowledge

suezen
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Thanks very much everyone for your time and effort - especially on a weekend. I went with intrinsic value and later also used "for its own sake".

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own flavour

Erklärung:
You can also use the word "flavour"...
example : Through Individual Case Studies we provide snapshots of a great many initiatives, each with its own flavour; some personal and small scale, as with many of the individual case studies; some more extensive activities

Quelle: http://www.clifton-scientific.org/compendium/intro/foreword....

Kévin Bacquet
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for knowledge's sake

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w/o more context, I wasn't clear if the author is advocating "knowledge for knowledge's sake" only, or advancing science (including applied and mundane research, so not just knowledge for knowledge's sake) but without falling into the materialistic and glory-filled ambition trap

vera-tech
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as an end in itself

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ie, without any other (ulterior?) motive

Carol Gullidge
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(for its) inherent savor

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Pace GWC-Claire, the eymological link between "savoir" and "saveur" has little bearing on the semantic value of "saveur" which means "taste", in the sense of "flavour" (one in a range) or "pungency", "tastiness" etc. It's a figurative way to express a degree of physical, sensual feeling of attraction to knowledge. Whether it's worth sacrificing this nuance in favour of more pragmatic terms like "interest" or "worth" is your business.

PS: I'm all the more convinced the writer didn't have "knowledge" in mind as an echo meaning since historically it has often been believed that "savoir" came from the Latin "scire" (which is why it was spelt "scavoir" for centuries). The confusion persists today.

siragui
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sugg

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suggestions..
for its very essence,
for its very flavor..

noemy
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own benefit/for pleasure's sake

Erklärung:
Just a couple more words to throw in!

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Relish? (don't laugh)

Emma Paulay
Frankreich
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Französisch: saveur propre

Englisch translation: its own (intrinsic) value