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Deutsch: Antiken

Englisch translation: antiquities







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Deutsch Begriff oder Satz:Antiken
Englisch Übersetzung:antiquities
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Art/Literary - Kunst, Kunsthandwerk, Malerei / 1880 memoir
Deutsch Begriff oder Satz: Antiken
The writer is in a trade school in Hamburg learning to draw. Here is the context:
Schon nach einem Vierteljahr gestattete mir der Lehrer in
Anbetracht meines Fleißes und meiner Fortschritte Antiken zu zeichnen; die letzteren waren zwar schon einige zehn, zwölf Male mit Gipsfarbe angestrichen, das schadete aber nicht.
What, exactly, was he sketching? Surely not what we would call antiques. Does this term also apply to old objects of no particular value, just interesting subjects for drawing practice?
Ann C Sherwin
Vereinigte Staaten
Antiquities
Erklärung:
Why not? He was perhaps painting "objets d'art" , or any object or image from ancient times
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Katarina Peters
Kanada
Hinweis von Fragesteller an den Antwortenden
The entire discussion was interesting. But in the end, regardless of whether they were originals or reproductions (the sculptures themselves had indeed been painted over many times), I decided on this term because it is closest to the author's word choice. If SL readers are left to speculate, I think it's OK to let TL readers do the same in this context. Thanks to you and to all who participated.
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ZUSAMMENFASSUNG ALLER ÜBERSETZUNGEN (ENGLISCH)
3 +1Subjects from antiquity
Saskia Zeegen
4Antiquities
Katarina Peters
3Classical subjects/sculptures/models/formsRebecca Garber
2 +1sculptures from antiquity
Henry Schroeder
2period pieces or reproductionsMSBerlin


  


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period pieces or reproductions

Erklärung:
... to start the discussion or provide an idea.

Some dictionaries (including one of the Langenscheidt dictionaries) talk about period pieces or reproductions, mainly with regard to furniture, though.

Possibly what is meant is a reproduction of a classic work or the like. Note, though, that my confidence level is low.

MSBerlin
Deutschland
Muttersprache: Englisch
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Antiquities

Erklärung:
Why not? He was perhaps painting "objets d'art" , or any object or image from ancient times

Katarina Peters
Kanada
Spezialgebiet
Muttersprache: Ungarisch, Englisch
PRO-Punkte in Kategorie: 8
Hinweis von Fragesteller an den Antwortenden
The entire discussion was interesting. But in the end, regardless of whether they were originals or reproductions (the sculptures themselves had indeed been painted over many times), I decided on this term because it is closest to the author's word choice. If SL readers are left to speculate, I think it's OK to let TL readers do the same in this context. Thanks to you and to all who participated.

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Widerspruch Saskia Zeegen: Antiquities would be too valuable to be painted over
3 Stunden
  -> Note that he was sketching, drawing, not painting over!!!!

Zustimmung Stephen Reader: YES, but for other reasons, cf. Henry.- @Saskia, "Yes, but" these woud've been plaster casts (of Classical sculptures, possible syn. "Antiquities") that every art school had students draw as basic training.
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  -> exactly! Thanks.
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sculptures from antiquity

Erklärung:
Here are some pictures of what "Antiken" seem to be, i.e. sculptures:

http://images.google.com/images?svnum=10&um=1&hl=de&lr=&q=An...

Consequently, I would call them "sculptures from antiquity", as they do here:

The drawings impress with both their large scale and expressive line. In some drawings the layers of charcoal are so densely erased and reworked they resemble ash left from some kind of immolation, an elegaic residue of intense emotional combustion. This is particularly apparent in Dine’s self-portrait series Looking in the Dark and his 1996 portrait Nancy. These darkened faces have eyes that are full of hard intensity, frozen into expressions of accusation, anger, or wild anxiety. This same mood is reflected in drawings of ***sculptures from antiquity*** such as Homer and Socrates (1989). The face of Socrates on the top of the drawing is a mask of hard black stone, open-eyed, impenetrable and defiant. The portrait of Homer just below reflects the opposite mood: the blind poet’s eyes are closed while his face is rendered with a smoky softness that is inward, ghostly, and vulnerable...

http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:AswP-9m_BTgJ:www.artcriti...

Henry Schroeder
Vereinigte Staaten
Arbeitsgebiet
Muttersprache: Englisch
PRO-Punkte in Kategorie: 56

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Zustimmung Stephen Reader: Yes it must've been these. But possibly a period term if not yours, even "Antiquities", for this (presumably) period setting - of classical art training, drawing the plaster-casts.
8 Stunden
  -> Hello, Stephen, thanks, your "agree" broke a string of at least 5 "neutrals" in a row, I guess practice makes perfect and there hasn't been much practice in the art/lit department for the last few months.
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Subjects from antiquity

Erklärung:
They could be anything from "Diane", "David" to "Venus" and from the Gibsfarbe I would assume they are statues or paintings of same

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Note added at 15 hrs (2007-04-19 12:20:11 GMT)
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Note to Katarina Peters: die letzteren waren zwar schon einigen zehn, zwoelf Male mit Gipsfarbe angestrichen...

Saskia Zeegen
Kanada
Muttersprache: Niederländisch, Englisch

Kommentare zu dieser Antwort (und Antworten vom Beantworter der Frage)
Zustimmung Stephen Reader: Yes, but definitely statues - plaster casts of Classical origs (and so, conceivably painted over with plaster-paint, whatever that was; I dread to think of paintings covered in 12 layers of it!)
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Classical subjects/sculptures/models/forms

Erklärung:
Art students learn to draw based on Classical forms, which do not have the same proportions as actual biological people. Painting the piece of sculpture makes the lines easier to spot for beginners.

Rebecca Garber
Vereinigte Staaten
Arbeitsgebiet
Muttersprache: Englisch
PRO-Punkte in Kategorie: 11
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