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Deutsch: bessere, humanere, allen unedlen Motiven fernere Menschen

Englisch translation: No one I know is better, more humane or further removed from base/ignoble motives than these people



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Deutsch Begriff oder Satz:bessere, humanere, allen unedlen Motiven fernere Menschen
Englisch Übersetzung:No one I know is better, more humane or further removed from base/ignoble motives than these people
Eingetragen von:Yvonne Becker
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Übersetzungen Deutsch > Englisch [PRO]
Social Sciences - Geschichte
Deutsch Begriff oder Satz: bessere, humanere, allen unedlen Motiven fernere Menschen
So schrieb er Anfang 1884 an seine Verlobte Martha Bernays über einen Besuch bei der Familie seines alten Lehrers
Samuel Hammerschlag:

"Ich bat ihn dann um die Erlaubnis, Rosa hinaufzubringen .... Ich kenne keine **besseren, humaneren, allen unedlen Motiven ferneren Menschen**, als die sind. Rosa wird, hoffe ich, Umgang an Anna Hammerschlag, einem vortrefflichen Mädchen finden ..." (Freud 1960, S. 94)

I'm having trouble phrasing this sequence of adjectives. No better, more human... persons / people? TIA
Yvonne Becker
Venezuela
Solution avoiding string of adjectives used attributively
Erklärung:
Ich kenne keine besseren, humaneren, allen unedlen Motiven ferneren Menschen, als die sind.
I know of no other people who are better, more humane and further removed from any base motives.
In my acquaintance there are none who are better, more humane and further removed from any base motives.


Ausgewählte Antwort von:

Andrew Swift
Vereinigtes Königreich
Hinweis von Fragesteller an den Antwortenden
Thanks a lot and special thanks to Richard for his improvement suggestion.
4 KudoZ-Punkte wurden für diese Antwort vergeben



ZUSAMMENFASSUNG ALLER ÜBERSETZUNGEN (ENGLISCH)
3 +4See explanation
JSolis
4 +2Siehe unten [NFG]
Richard Benham
3 +2Solution avoiding string of adjectives used attributively
Andrew Swift
4 +1I know of no other better and more humane people devoid of any ulterior motives
Girija Chatrath


  

Antworten

3 Min.   Antwortsicherheit: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 Zustimmung (Netto): +4
besseren, humaneren, allen unedlen Motiven ferneren Menschen See explanation

Erklärung:
"better, more humane people lacking in all ignoble motives"

Ignoble is a bit old-fashioned but appropriate for this time period.

JSolis
Vereinigte Staaten
Arbeitsgebiet
Muttersprache: Englisch
PRO-Punkte in Kategorie: 4

Kommentare zu dieser Antwort (und Antworten vom Beantworter der Frage)
Zustimmung  Christian: Well done!
2 Min.
  -> thank you!
Zustimmung franglish
25 Min.
  -> thank you
Zustimmung Nesrin: I suggest "free from all..." which sounds more positive than "lacking in all..." IMO.
28 Min.
  -> yes, that works. Thank you.
Zustimmung Armorel Young: Nesrin's suggestion is excellent
35 Min.
Neutraler Kommentar Richard Benham: You miss the effect of the comparative here. This actually results in your English version not really making sense.
12 Stunden
Neutraler Kommentar Andrew Swift: with Richard
15 Stunden
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38 Min.   Antwortsicherheit: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 Zustimmung (Netto): +2
besseren, humaneren, allen unedlen Motiven ferneren Menschen Solution avoiding string of adjectives used attributively

Erklärung:
Ich kenne keine besseren, humaneren, allen unedlen Motiven ferneren Menschen, als die sind.
I know of no other people who are better, more humane and further removed from any base motives.
In my acquaintance there are none who are better, more humane and further removed from any base motives.




Andrew Swift
Vereinigtes Königreich
Spezialgebiet
Muttersprache: Englisch
PRO-Punkte in Kategorie: 132
Hinweis von Fragesteller an den Antwortenden
Thanks a lot and special thanks to Richard for his improvement suggestion.

Kommentare zu dieser Antwort (und Antworten vom Beantworter der Frage)
Zustimmung verbis
56 Min.
Zustimmung Richard Benham: I like your first solution, but with "or" instead of "and". Call me old-fashioned, but "are none" grates.
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1 Stunde   Antwortsicherheit: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 Zustimmung (Netto): +1
besseren, humaneren, allen unedlen Motiven ferneren Menschen I know of no other better and more humane people devoid of any ulterior motives

Erklärung:
When talking about motives---it is normally a "hidden" or better phrased as "ulterior motive"
This looks like a text that should not be LITERALLY translated

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Note added at 1 hr 46 mins (2006-01-03 21:36:01 GMT)
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know of no other better and more compassionate people devoid of any ulterior motives



Girija Chatrath
Indien
Muttersprache: Englisch

Kommentare zu dieser Antwort (und Antworten vom Beantworter der Frage)
Zustimmung verbis
10 Min.
  -> thanks
Neutraler Kommentar xxxFrancis Lee: or: "bereft of" / Andrew is completely right regards "lacking" or "bereft of" - a lapse of concentration on my part
3 Stunden
Neutraler Kommentar Richard Benham: You miss the comparative of "ferneren" this way.
10 Stunden
Neutraler Kommentar Andrew Swift: with Richard. Disagree with Francis: 'bereft of' is even less appropriate than 'lacking in'.
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12 Stunden   Antwortsicherheit: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 Zustimmung (Netto): +2
besseren, humaneren, allen unedlen Motiven ferneren Menschen Siehe unten [NFG]

Erklärung:
I don't really see the need to preserve the plural here. So how about "No one I know is better, more humane or further removed from base/ignoble motives than these people"?

It might be argued that "further removed" is a bit old-fashioned and no longer idiomatic, but the German has a slightly old-world quality to it too.

As my answer is pretty close to Andrew's I am not making a bid for points here, just suggesting a minor improvement.

Note that there is no conjunction "und" or "oder" in the German. "Or" makes more sense in English than "and" though, as well as bestowing stronger praise.

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Note added at 16 hrs 19 mins (2006-01-04 12:09:20 GMT)
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Sorry, that should really be "any base/ignoble motives".

Richard Benham
Frankreich
Muttersprache: Englisch

Kommentare zu dieser Antwort (und Antworten vom Beantworter der Frage)
Zustimmung Andrew Swift: I agree that there are three comparative adjectives in sequence and that an effort should be made to convey all of them. Whereas ‘devoid’ sounds reasonable in context, ‘lacking in’ suggests that these people really ought to acquire some ‘ignoble’ motives.
3 Stunden
  -> Thanks. I agree about "lacking". You can only "lack" something if you have some need of it. "This book lacks a unifying theme", i.e., this book really ought to have a unifying them, but it hasn't got one.
Zustimmung xxxFrancis Lee: yes - this gives it the positive element that needs to be in there
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