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Deutsch Begriff oder Satz:	demjenigen
Englisch Übersetzung:	to the one
Eingetragen von:	Kim Metzger

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11:26pm Jul 16, 2004

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Deutsch Begriff oder Satz: demjenigen

Context: Milde behandlung demjenigen, der seine Verbrechen gesteht.

Jianming

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Trudy Peters: 1:30am Jul 17, 2004: You may be able to put the arguments to rest, if you gave us more context... -
Jianming (asker): 6:31am Jul 17, 2004: Thank you all for help. - Milde behandlung demjenigen, der seine Verbrechen gesteht; strenge Bestrafung demjenigen, der sich widersetzt.
Not too much context. It¡¯s a kind of political slogan.

Jianming (asker): 4:34pm Jul 17, 2004: Thank you all! - All of you have good points! But I think what writeaway meant is "for him/her who....:)"
Jianming (asker): 4:37pm Jul 17, 2004: Thank you all for help! I am sorry I cannot split the points. -

to the person

Erklärung:
This is the dative case of derjenige - the one.
The person who confesses his crimes will receive lenient treatment.

Ausgewählte Antwort von:

Kim Metzger
Mexiko

Hinweis von Fragesteller an den Antwortenden

Thank you all for contribution!
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ZUSAMMENFASSUNG ALLER ÜBERSETZUNGEN (ENGLISCH)

4 +5

to the person

Kim Metzger

4 +2

of those

Elvira Stoianov

4 +1

(should be granted) to the person who (or to whoever) confesses...

Maria Ferstl

2 +2

anyone who admits to wrongdoing will dealt with leniently

writeaway

he who

cjperera

Antworten

2 Min. Antwortsicherheit:

Zustimmung (Netto): +5

to the person

Erklärung:
This is the dative case of derjenige - the one.
The person who confesses his crimes will receive lenient treatment.

Kim Metzger
Mexiko
Arbeitsgebiet
Muttersprache: Englisch
PRO-Punkte in Kategorie: 119

Hinweis von Fragesteller an den Antwortenden

Thank you all for contribution!

Kommentare zu dieser Antwort (und Antworten vom Beantworter der Frage)

Zustimmung

Kevin Pfeiffer: but doesn't the dativ suggest an 'of' relationship?

9 Min.

-> Literally: Lenient treatment to the one who confesses his crimes. ADDED: How would you translate "gib es ihm"?

Zustimmung

Robert Schlarb: Congratulations, compared with the other answers, you apparently belong to the minority of English speakers *to whom* the cases in English still make a difference

47 Min.

-> Yes, whom is still required in "edited" English when it's the object of a preposition.

Neutraler Kommentar

cjperera: Dr. Schlarb, what are you on about? (see my answer below). Anyway, a quick check on Google for 'for he who confesses' brings up 3 times as many results as 'for him who confesses', with most of these being biblical type passages. I cannot agree.

53 Min.

Zustimmung

Dr. Fred Thomson: Absolutely. It is disgusting to hear people on television and elsewhere murdering the English language. In America one is considered to be elitist if one differentiates between "he" and "him."

1 Stunde

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Trudy Peters: But since Kim didn't say anything about who or whom, where does this discussion come from? This should be directed at Cillín. Another option would be "to the one who"

1 Stunde

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EdithK

6 Stunden

3 Min. Antwortsicherheit:

Zustimmung (Netto): +2

of those

Erklärung:
of the person

Elvira Stoianov
Luxemburg
Muttersprache: Rumänisch, Ungarisch
PRO-Punkte in Kategorie: 8

14 Min. Antwortsicherheit:

Zustimmung (Netto): +1

(should be granted) to the person who (or to whoever) confesses...

Erklärung:
From the context you should be able to decide if it's meant in general (to whoever) or not.

Maria Ferstl
Griechenland
Spezialgebiet
Muttersprache: Deutsch

2 Stunden Antwortsicherheit:

Zustimmung (Netto): +2

anyone who admits to wrongdoing will dealt with leniently

Erklärung:
As Trudy says, the lack of context is causing too many problems. Since this is such a sweeping statement (UNLESS there is a specific context), I find the absoluteness of commiting a crime, confessing it and then gettting lenient treatment a bit far fetched as a general statememt. So I have downgraded crime to wrongdoing. Context is always the map one uses on the road to translation and without it, getting lost is a sure thing.

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Note added at 2 hrs 30 mins (2004-07-17 01:56:43 GMT)
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please read: will BE dealt with....

writeaway
Belgien
Arbeitsgebiet
Muttersprache: Englisch
PRO-Punkte in Kategorie: 12

3 Min. Antwortsicherheit:

he who

Erklärung:
(der jenige)

Mild treatment for he who confesses his crimes.

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Note added at 2 hrs 52 mins (2004-07-17 02:18:37 GMT)
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Lenient treatment for she/her who confesses her crimes.

cjperera
Schweiz
Muttersprache: Englisch
PRO-Punkte in Kategorie: 4

Kommentare zu dieser Antwort (und Antworten vom Beantworter der Frage)

Zustimmung

SwissTell

12 Min.

Neutraler Kommentar

Robert Schlarb: don't you mean "for him"?

44 Min.

-> No. You mean 'for him who' right? No. That sounds rather grammatically incorrect to me...

Widerspruch

Dr. Fred Thomson: You're right. Incorrect usage IS part of the language, as is extreme profanity, but translators should avoid incorrect usage unless the source language is commensurately incorrect.

1 Stunde

-> ok. i'll stick to the view, however, that a language is fluid and is defined by it's usage - and in a case where we see overwhelming common usage, (google "him who" 634,000; "he who"1,550,000) we must except that it IS part of the language! :)

Widerspruch

Trudy Peters: Sorry, for *him* who. Never mind biblical passages. - Sure, but common usage in biblical passages has nothing to do with business English. - Of course, we don't really know what the context is...

1 Stunde

-> Biblical was because I searched for "x who confesses". Not a common business term. However, www-1.ibm.com/mediumbusiness/resources/ whitepapers/whitepaper.jsp?contentId=2961 for example, is a business usage... Anyway, point taken (on both sides I hope)!

Zustimmung

Gareth McMillan: IMHO- there will be mild treatment for he/she who misses the point here. "He who misses the point" is taken as a single entity in English and, as such, cannot be cased as it is a composite word. "For him" in this context sounds plain ridiculous.

12 Stunden

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Deutsch: demjenigen

Englisch translation: to the one