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Deutsch Begriff oder Satz:	Eigenschrift
Englisch Übersetzung:	autograph
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3:48am Apr 24, 2002

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Deutsch Begriff oder Satz: Eigenschrift

Es geht um alte Musikhandschriften und ich nehme an, Eigenschriften sind 'original manuscripts'. Bin mir aber nicht ganz sicher.

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autographs

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This is how I have always heard it, read it, said it.. SOmetimes "autograph manuscripts", the fuller form.

E.g. "His source was the Walsh edition: he seems to have had no knowledge of the autographs in the Fitzwilliam Museum", in my Händel Flute Sonatas volume.

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\"Original manuscripts\" is not quite the same thing - e.g. Händel, when going blind, used to dictate. Then the original manuscript was written by his secretary, and is thus no \"Eigenschrift\". And when a composer writes an original manuscript and then copies it, they are both \"Eigenschriften\" (and thus important for studying the text), but only the first is the \"original manuscript\".

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By the way, I checked Kim´s source for \"autographic\". It is written by a Japanese. It is mostly quite well written, but occasionally quite wrong linguistically. Google gives a few hits (10) for \"autographic manuscript\", but they are all of non-native origin.

I read the article with great interest, though.

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Chris Rowson
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Thanks a lot!!
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Original manuscript / Original script

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autographs

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autographic copy

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Original manuscript / Original script

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I agree with your findings after browsing around on-line and finding this term to be widely used.

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autographic copy

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Wahrig defines Autograf (which is the same as Eigenschrift, see below) as *eigenhändig schriebenes Schriftstück einer bedeutenden Persönlichkeit.
The following website provided this information:

1) Angenommen, eine Komposition sei einzig und allein in der Eigenschrift (Autograph) authentisch überliefert - übrigens ein häufiger Fall für die Musik vor 1800 -, so genügt es keinesfalls, alle Zeichen des Autographs in einen Notenstich/Druck umzusetzen. Das hat eine ganze Fülle von Gründen. Zum Beispiel wird man auf zahlreiche individuelle Eigentümlichkeiten der Handschrift stoßen, die durch Generalisierung und Einpassen in das moderne Notenstich-Regelwerk normiert werden müssen.

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autographic manuscript instead of copy

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Also autographic score, fair copy.

Furthermore, the manuscript sources that can be considered to have stemmed from an early autographic score (which is lost) attest numerous textual variants in the early shape of the text. The fact that these observations coincide with equivalent information contained in the other contemporary works by Bach gives much credibility to the integrity of such information, which in turn, becomes valuable chronological evidence.

http://www.music.qub.ac.uk/~tomita/essay/wtc1.html

Quelle: http://www.henle.de/deutsch/info/siegel.htm
Wahrig, Langenscheidt Muret-Sanders

Kim Metzger
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autographs

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This is how I have always heard it, read it, said it.. SOmetimes "autograph manuscripts", the fuller form.

E.g. "His source was the Walsh edition: he seems to have had no knowledge of the autographs in the Fitzwilliam Museum", in my Händel Flute Sonatas volume.

--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 2002-04-24 07:41:47 (GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

\"Original manuscripts\" is not quite the same thing - e.g. Händel, when going blind, used to dictate. Then the original manuscript was written by his secretary, and is thus no \"Eigenschrift\". And when a composer writes an original manuscript and then copies it, they are both \"Eigenschriften\" (and thus important for studying the text), but only the first is the \"original manuscript\".

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Note added at 2002-04-24 11:36:57 (GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

By the way, I checked Kim´s source for \"autographic\". It is written by a Japanese. It is mostly quite well written, but occasionally quite wrong linguistically. Google gives a few hits (10) for \"autographic manuscript\", but they are all of non-native origin.

I read the article with great interest, though.

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Deutsch: Eigenschrift

Englisch translation: autograph