Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Deutsch term or phrase:
Salonlöwe
Englisch translation:
lion of the salons
Added to glossary by
David Williams
Jan 23, 2009 08:22
15 yrs ago
Deutsch term
Salonlöwe
Deutsch > Englisch
Geistes- und Sozialwissenschaften
Geschichte
Social history
"der vermögender Bankierssohn und Salonlöwen des wilhelminischen Deutschland"
Referring to Harry Graf Kessler, who was certainly active in Berlin's salon society in the 1890s. I'm thinking along the lines of "the wealthy banker’s son from the salon society of Wilhelmine Germany".
Referring to Harry Graf Kessler, who was certainly active in Berlin's salon society in the 1890s. I'm thinking along the lines of "the wealthy banker’s son from the salon society of Wilhelmine Germany".
Proposed translations
(Englisch)
4 +7 | lion of the salons | Helen Shiner |
5 +4 | Lounge lizard | Martin Robinshaw |
4 +4 | society lion | Alexander Ryshow |
3 +3 | socialite, society man | BrigitteHilgner |
2 | salon playboy | Jonathan MacKerron |
References
Kessler | Helen Shiner |
Change log
Jan 23, 2009 12:03: Steffen Walter changed "Term asked" from "Salonlöwen " to "Salonlöwe"
Proposed translations
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2 Stunden
Deutsch term (edited):
Salonlöwen
Selected
lion of the salons
This expression is often used and totally appropriate for Kessler. Just in case there is any doubt, these are literary or cultural salons, not just drawing rooms. Apologies if I am teaching Grandma to suck eggs.
http://books.google.com/books?id=F0N59g93EBYC&pg=PA106&lpg=P...
Humboldt had long regarded the French capital as his true home. There he found, not only scientific sympathy, but the social stimulus which his vigorous and healthy mind eagerly craved. He was equally in his element as the lion of the salons and as the savant of the institute and the observatory.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_von_Humboldt
http://books.google.com/books?id=4Bi6H6TG6_oC&pg=PA161&lpg=P...
http://books.google.com/books?id=-eMhMvFYb0sC&pg=PA19&lpg=PA...
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Note added at 7 days (2009-01-30 09:24:01 GMT) Post-grading
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Thanks, again, for the points.
http://books.google.com/books?id=F0N59g93EBYC&pg=PA106&lpg=P...
Humboldt had long regarded the French capital as his true home. There he found, not only scientific sympathy, but the social stimulus which his vigorous and healthy mind eagerly craved. He was equally in his element as the lion of the salons and as the savant of the institute and the observatory.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_von_Humboldt
http://books.google.com/books?id=4Bi6H6TG6_oC&pg=PA161&lpg=P...
http://books.google.com/books?id=-eMhMvFYb0sC&pg=PA19&lpg=PA...
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Note added at 7 days (2009-01-30 09:24:01 GMT) Post-grading
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Thanks, again, for the points.
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thank you!!!"
+4
5 Min.
Deutsch term (edited):
Salonlöwen
Lounge lizard
Peer comment(s):
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Charles Rothwell (X)
: I agree. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/lounge lizard
2 Min.
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agree |
Textklick
7 Min.
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agree |
Sven Petersson
18 Min.
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agree |
Jutta Schandel
29 Min.
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disagree |
Helen Shiner
: I disagree on the basis of Kessler's biography - he was a very productive writer, Kulturkritiker and supporter of many aspects of the arts and many artists, initiator of projects. He had no time for lazy lounge lizardry.
1 Stunde
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I would suggest 'socialite' as a more apposite term in that case.
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Harald Moelzer (medical-translator)
2 Tage 21 Stunden
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+4
6 Min.
Deutsch term (edited):
Salonlöwen
society lion
Peer comment(s):
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Angela Parker
: "Lounge lizard" sounds a bit too negative to me
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Danke, Angela!
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agree |
Helen Shiner
: I think this is another good solution to the problem in Kessler's case.
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Danke, Helen!
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agree |
franglish
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Danke!
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agree |
Harald Moelzer (medical-translator)
2 Tage 21 Stunden
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+3
5 Min.
Deutsch term (edited):
Salonlöwen
socialite, society man
Meint Pons Collins Großwörterbuch.
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I don't know about the "salon aspect" that depends on the context. If they are important I could imagine that the "salons" are mentioned at some other point in the text? What precisely do you want to say about Graf Kessler?
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Hm - I find this a bit amazing - I would have thought that you can be a socialite and a pacifist at the same time. Or does the text want to stress that he was somewhat lazy and superficial in his youth and then became more serious and involved?
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Note added at 28 mins (2009-01-23 08:51:21 GMT)
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I don't know about the "salon aspect" that depends on the context. If they are important I could imagine that the "salons" are mentioned at some other point in the text? What precisely do you want to say about Graf Kessler?
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Note added at 1 hr (2009-01-23 10:09:29 GMT)
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Hm - I find this a bit amazing - I would have thought that you can be a socialite and a pacifist at the same time. Or does the text want to stress that he was somewhat lazy and superficial in his youth and then became more serious and involved?
Note from asker:
Yes, I was contemplating socialite, but wouldn't it be necessary to specify the salon aspect? Maybe not. |
The text says that he changed from this, in his early years, becoming a convinced republican and pacifist in later life. |
Indeed, but I guess it is the apparent contrast between his "prewar aestheticism and his postwar politics" (see ref. below) that this is getting at. |
Peer comment(s):
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Nicole Schnell
3 Min.
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Danke schön, Nicole.
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Paul Skidmore
: For an academic / semi-academic publication I would use "socialite"
40 Min.
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Thank you, Paul. As usual, context is important.
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Tanja K
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Danke schön, Tanja.
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Helen Shiner
: I don't think this is strong enough - the lion bit is missing./'Lion of the salons' is often used, as is the verb to lionise which is related. These were people who were at the centre of cultural happenings, nothing to do with pussy cats.
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I think "Salonlöwen" were more the pussy cat version - not the real thing. ;-)
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17 Min.
Deutsch term (edited):
Salonlöwen
salon playboy
yet another
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Note added at 2 hrs (2009-01-23 10:28:46 GMT)
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less perjorative= mainstay of Berlin's salon crowd/scene/landscape
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Note added at 2 hrs (2009-01-23 10:28:46 GMT)
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less perjorative= mainstay of Berlin's salon crowd/scene/landscape
Note from asker:
That may be going a BIT too far. |
Reference comments
1 Stunde
Reference:
Kessler
"Count Harry Kessler, German diplomat, aesthete, patron of the arts, publisher, biographer, diarist, librettist, collector of art and books, army officer, and museum director, was, in W.H. Auden's opinion, 'probably the most cosmopolitan man who ever lived.' His life seems to have been written by Thomas Mann, whose fate in many ways ran parallel. Easton's THE RED COUNT can be enjoyed as both cultural history and ironic tragedy."—Harper's magazine
http://www.ucpress.edu/books/pages/9472.php
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The life of Count Harry Kessler (1868-1937), the famous Anglo-German art patron, writer, and activist, offers a vivid and engrossing perspective on the tumultuous transformation of art and politics that took place in modern Europe between 1890 and 1930. In the first half of his career Kessler was one of the most ardent and well-known champions of aesthetic modernism in Imperial Germany, becoming a friend and patron to pioneering artists and writers of his day, most notably French sculptor Aristide Maillol, Belgian architect Henry van de Velde, English theater designer Gordon Craig, and Austrian poet and playwright Hugo von Hofmannsthal and, in his capacity as director of the Museum of Arts and Crafts in Weimar and vice-president of the German Artists League, served as a spokesman and lightning rod for embattled modern art. In the aftermath of the First World War, in which he served as a soldier, propagandist, and secret agent, Kessler embarked on a public career as a committed internationalist and pacifist, a stance that led ultimately to his exile from Germany upon the Nazi seizure of power. Making use of the recently discovered portions of Kessler's extensive diaries, one of the most remarkable journals ever written, Laird Easton explains the reasons for this startling metamorphosis, showing for the first time the continuities between Kessler's prewar aestheticism and his postwar politics and highlighting his importance within the larger history of the rise of modern art and politics. This lively narrative, the first English-language biography of Harry Kessler, provides a rich and fascinating portrait of the man whom W. H. Auden called "a crown witness of our times."
http://books.google.com/books?id=MvJRMR6zyTYC&dq=Kessler sal...
http://www.ucpress.edu/books/pages/9472.php
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The life of Count Harry Kessler (1868-1937), the famous Anglo-German art patron, writer, and activist, offers a vivid and engrossing perspective on the tumultuous transformation of art and politics that took place in modern Europe between 1890 and 1930. In the first half of his career Kessler was one of the most ardent and well-known champions of aesthetic modernism in Imperial Germany, becoming a friend and patron to pioneering artists and writers of his day, most notably French sculptor Aristide Maillol, Belgian architect Henry van de Velde, English theater designer Gordon Craig, and Austrian poet and playwright Hugo von Hofmannsthal and, in his capacity as director of the Museum of Arts and Crafts in Weimar and vice-president of the German Artists League, served as a spokesman and lightning rod for embattled modern art. In the aftermath of the First World War, in which he served as a soldier, propagandist, and secret agent, Kessler embarked on a public career as a committed internationalist and pacifist, a stance that led ultimately to his exile from Germany upon the Nazi seizure of power. Making use of the recently discovered portions of Kessler's extensive diaries, one of the most remarkable journals ever written, Laird Easton explains the reasons for this startling metamorphosis, showing for the first time the continuities between Kessler's prewar aestheticism and his postwar politics and highlighting his importance within the larger history of the rise of modern art and politics. This lively narrative, the first English-language biography of Harry Kessler, provides a rich and fascinating portrait of the man whom W. H. Auden called "a crown witness of our times."
http://books.google.com/books?id=MvJRMR6zyTYC&dq=Kessler sal...
Peer comments on this reference comment:
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Ingeborg Gowans (X)
: good and extensive research which supports your answer
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Thanks, Ingeborg - he was a fascinating and admirable man in many respects.
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