françafrique

English translation: France Afrique

17:05 Mar 6, 2003
French to English translations [PRO]
Government / Politics / politics
French term or phrase: françafrique
Can françafrique mean French policy towards Africa/ its African ex-colonies?
Kajuco
United Kingdom
Local time: 06:54
English translation:France Afrique
Explanation:
one of the oldes publications dealing with French-speaking African countries

at

http://www.courrierinternational.com/dossiers/geo/france_afr...

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No, new idea now:

it refers to dirty business and other dealings in post-colonial frenchspeaking Africa:

Des affaires françaises, des affaires africaines. Des noms connus, d’autres moins. En cette fin d’année 2000, en tout cas, c’est un beau morceau de la Françafrique qui a été visé, perquisitionné ou mis en examen, voire écroué par les juges Armand Riberolles, Marc Brisset-Foucault, Philippe Courroye et Isabelle Prévost-Desprez : Michel Roussin, Pierre Falcone, Arcadi Gaydamak, Jean-Charles Marchiani, Charles Pasqua, Bernard Poussier, Jean-Christophe Mitterrand, Jean-Noël Tassez – tandis que le juge Renaud van Ruymbeke relançait la traque du fugitif Alfred Sirven, via de présumés complices de sa cavale, Jean-Marie Lapierre, ancien mercenaire de Bob Denard, et Lionel Queudot.

www.globenet.org/survie/campagne/auxarrts.htm - 101k - Cached - Similar pages


See what I mean??

The dirty deals that were discovered in various places, for

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This was the ELF + Chirac and RPR scandal in the early nineties ....

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If you guys would go to the website I give above you will see that the term has very specific connotations with regard to a whole bunch of dirty dealing between corrupt French politicians and business people and a load of Africa countries...

Live and learn everyone, Today I did....I knew about the scandals but as I have not been living in France, I did not know the term.

So, my first answer was TOTALLY off base and my second is the only one anywhere near right...



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I think you should give Francis the points for coming up with the reference site. A different one from the one I gave.

I just found his explanation rather odd.

It;\'s amazing how people resist what they don\'t know. Me included. But when you read the text on the site given above, it will make you ill...
Selected response from:

Jane Lamb-Ruiz (X)
Grading comment
And thanks for the references. Thanks to Francis too.
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Summary of answers provided
5 +1France Afrique
Jane Lamb-Ruiz (X)
4 +1"Françafrique " or "FranceAfrica"
Francis MARC
4 +1un ça peut être le sommet France -Afrique (autrefois appelé franco-africain) et voir suite
cjohnstone
4France-Africa or can be rendered as France-in-Africa
Jean-Luc Dumont
3l'Afrique francophone
William Stein


  

Answers


1 min   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
l'Afrique francophone


Explanation:
That's my guess. I doubt that the meaning is as specific as you suggest.

William Stein
Costa Rica
Local time: 23:54
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Jane Lamb-Ruiz (X): I have discovered this to be different just today
53 mins
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4 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): +1
France Afrique


Explanation:
one of the oldes publications dealing with French-speaking African countries

at

http://www.courrierinternational.com/dossiers/geo/france_afr...

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Note added at 2003-03-06 17:26:07 (GMT)
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No, new idea now:

it refers to dirty business and other dealings in post-colonial frenchspeaking Africa:

Des affaires françaises, des affaires africaines. Des noms connus, d’autres moins. En cette fin d’année 2000, en tout cas, c’est un beau morceau de la Françafrique qui a été visé, perquisitionné ou mis en examen, voire écroué par les juges Armand Riberolles, Marc Brisset-Foucault, Philippe Courroye et Isabelle Prévost-Desprez : Michel Roussin, Pierre Falcone, Arcadi Gaydamak, Jean-Charles Marchiani, Charles Pasqua, Bernard Poussier, Jean-Christophe Mitterrand, Jean-Noël Tassez – tandis que le juge Renaud van Ruymbeke relançait la traque du fugitif Alfred Sirven, via de présumés complices de sa cavale, Jean-Marie Lapierre, ancien mercenaire de Bob Denard, et Lionel Queudot.

www.globenet.org/survie/campagne/auxarrts.htm - 101k - Cached - Similar pages


See what I mean??

The dirty deals that were discovered in various places, for

--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 2003-03-06 17:29:49 (GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

This was the ELF + Chirac and RPR scandal in the early nineties ....

--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 2003-03-06 17:57:35 (GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

If you guys would go to the website I give above you will see that the term has very specific connotations with regard to a whole bunch of dirty dealing between corrupt French politicians and business people and a load of Africa countries...

Live and learn everyone, Today I did....I knew about the scandals but as I have not been living in France, I did not know the term.

So, my first answer was TOTALLY off base and my second is the only one anywhere near right...



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Note added at 2003-03-06 18:11:11 (GMT)
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I think you should give Francis the points for coming up with the reference site. A different one from the one I gave.

I just found his explanation rather odd.

It;\'s amazing how people resist what they don\'t know. Me included. But when you read the text on the site given above, it will make you ill...

Jane Lamb-Ruiz (X)
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in PortuguesePortuguese
PRO pts in category: 77
Grading comment
And thanks for the references. Thanks to Francis too.

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  cjohnstone: could well be
5 mins
  -> j'avais réagi trop vite, par la suite rectifié, live and learn :)
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9 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
"Françafrique " or "FranceAfrica"


Explanation:
not mandatory to translate (some english sites do some do not)

SEE THE SITE REFERENCED below for a complete historical story of that political affair that has a very negative/scandalous flavour presently

acrimed | action critique médias | Françafrique : les médias ...
... installation du système Françafrique [*]. Origines de la Françafrique. ... Congo-Brazzaville.
De la françafrique à la mafiafrique. Au Rwanda ...
acrimed.samizdat.net/article.php3?id_article=218 - 45k


    Reference: http://acrimed.samizdat.net/article.php3?id_article=218
Francis MARC
Lithuania
Local time: 08:54
Native speaker of: Native in FrenchFrench
PRO pts in category: 24

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Jane Lamb-Ruiz (X): translate what Francis? You haven't said what it is...
5 mins
  -> I gave a french and an english version of the wording. The full explanation is in the reference (the best I found on the subject)

agree  Lise Boismenu, B.Sc.: Good ref.
2 hrs
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15 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
un ça peut être le sommet France -Afrique (autrefois appelé franco-africain) et voir suite


Explanation:
je doute que ça s'écrive comme ça...France-Afrique est plus normal
ça peut être, le sommet régulier avec sa réunion récente, les relations...de toutes façons ça dépasse la politique F envers l'Afrique, il s'agit dvantage de relations qui essaient (sans succès, sorry for the politics bit on this) d'être d'égal à égal...
pour de l'anglais je tenterais france and Africa mutual relations, summits...

cjohnstone
France
Local time: 07:54
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in FrenchFrench, Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 4

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Jane Lamb-Ruiz (X): mais non, il s'agit du scandale en France avec les hommes d'affaires, Chirac et compagnie
9 mins
  -> rien n'est moins sûr et on n'utiliserait pas la terinologie désormais officielle de France- Afrique when properly spelt

neutral  ntouzet (X): quel scandale ?
14 mins
  -> who knows, the man on the mountain knows, (dedicated to Morgan)
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
France-Africa or can be rendered as France-in-Africa


Explanation:

as French dirty dealings in Africa

Institutions françaises La Françafrique. Corruption, pantouflage.

La Françafrique aux arrêts ? (François-Xavier Verschave, Association Survie, le 13/01/2001)

Corruption à la française
Trafic d'arme en Afrique (L'express, 22 février 2001)
Jean-Christophe Mitterrand, Paul-Loup Sulitzer et bien d'autres encore... L'homme d'affaires Pierre Falcone a distribué des dizaines de millions de francs pour vendre des armes à l'Angola. Les juges risquent de frapper au coeur de l'appareil d'Etat...On y voit défiler des centaines de millions de francs sur des comptes codés - «Cascade», «Galilée», «Colorado», «Edsaco», «Essante» - tantôt à l'UBS en Suisse, à la banque Leumi à Tel-Aviv, ou à la banque Rothschild à Monaco.


Not sure it was intended but sounds also like a pun on France-à-fric - fric is slang for money > i.e. corruption

Françafrique - echoes of and implies all the dirty tricks, corruption and scandals that link France (French politicians, businessmen and companies) to former French colonies in Africa (corrupt regimes)and other countries like Angola

It implies neocolonialism and neocolonialist relations and corruption


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FranceinAfrica or FrancinAfrica :)

Jean-Luc Dumont
France
Local time: 07:54
Works in field
Native speaker of: French
PRO pts in category: 4

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Jane Lamb-Ruiz (X): franc(k)ingAfrica but the rest I said in all fairness didn't I?
20 hrs
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