Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Spanish term or phrase:
caracol
English translation:
Zapatista autonomous center
Added to glossary by
Gretchen Small
Feb 4, 2009 00:02
15 yrs ago
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Spanish term
United States
Precise and on time; lawyer/writer.
Native in: English 
, Spanish
Works in: English to Spanish, Spanish to English, French to English, and 7 more.
caracol
Spanish to English
Social Sciences
Government / Politics
el caracol de Oventic; los caracoles
Se trata de una presentación sobre el nuevo feminismo y el movimiento zapatista. No lo he traducido por no saber si es un lugar (es decir, el Caracol de Oventic, en Bolivia) o un tipo de organización).
Dice luego: Hay mucho machismo en los caracoles de hoy.
Se trata de una presentación sobre el nuevo feminismo y el movimiento zapatista. No lo he traducido por no saber si es un lugar (es decir, el Caracol de Oventic, en Bolivia) o un tipo de organización).
Dice luego: Hay mucho machismo en los caracoles de hoy.
Proposed translations
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Change log
Feb 4, 2009 03:39: Silvia Brandon-Pérez Created KOG entry
Feb 4, 2009 03:51: Gretchen Small changed "Edited KOG entry" from "<a href="/profile/599094">Silvia Brandon-Pérez's</a> old entry - "caracol"" to ""Zapatista autonomous center""
Proposed translations
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22 mins
Gretchen Small
United States
United States
Native in English
Specializes in field
United States
Related KudoZ points
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4
Selected
Zapatista autonomous center
The translation is provided in an article posted by the Americas Program of the Center for International Policy (CIP), which begins:
"Editor's Note: This series of reports on the five Zapatista autonomous centers, or caracoles , by Gloria Muñoz Ramírez was first published in Spanish as a special section of the Mexican national newspaper La Jornada, Sept. 19, 2004... On the 15th anniversary of the Zapatista uprising, the Americas Program is pleased to present readers with the only full authorized translation to English, by Americas Program director Laura Carlsen...."
"Editor's Note: This series of reports on the five Zapatista autonomous centers, or caracoles , by Gloria Muñoz Ramírez was first published in Spanish as a special section of the Mexican national newspaper La Jornada, Sept. 19, 2004... On the 15th anniversary of the Zapatista uprising, the Americas Program is pleased to present readers with the only full authorized translation to English, by Americas Program director Laura Carlsen...."
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Peer comment(s):
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Patricia Rosas
: Here's another link http://www.stateofnature.org/theZapatistaCaracoles.html
24 mins
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| agree |
Juan Jacob
: Sí, poner Caracol de Oventic (Zapatista autonomous center or community, o algo así).
1 hr
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Muchas gracias por tu aporte; ya yo sabía que esto del caracol tenía que referirse a un tipo de agrupación."
-1
16 mins
Cesar Serrano
United States
United States
Native in Spanish
&
English
Works in field
United States
AUTOMOTIVE -MEDICAL -CONTRACTS -OIL&GAS
Native in: English (Variant: US) 
, Spanish (Variant: Latin American)
Works in: Spanish to English, English to Spanish, English, and 9 more.
Related KudoZ points
:
16
I would leave it as is, and explain that it is the name of a place, with a footnote
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Note added at 21 mins (2009-02-04 00:24:20 GMT)
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Oooops!....entonces igual lo dejaria asi, y le agregaria una nota que explica que es el nombre propio de un grupo guerrillero...:)
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Note added at 21 mins (2009-02-04 00:24:20 GMT)
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Oooops!....entonces igual lo dejaria asi, y le agregaria una nota que explica que es el nombre propio de un grupo guerrillero...:)
Note from asker:
| Pero es que cuando aparece 'los caracoles de hoy' no es un lugar... parece un tipo de grupo, como eran las células (cells) en las organizaciones guerrilleras, por ejemplo... |
Peer comment(s):
| disagree |
Juan Jacob
: No es el nombre propio de un grupo guerrillero. El grupo guerrillero se llama EZLN, fundador de las comunidades llamadas Caracol.
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Interesante...Gracias por tu comentario Juan Jacob! Saludos!
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23 mins
caracol
Check out Google first, before asking here - the first hit is http://americas.irc-online.org/am/5745
"..the five Zapatista autonomous centers, or caracoles..."
then give a Translators Note
"..the five Zapatista autonomous centers, or caracoles..."
then give a Translators Note
Note from asker:
| Thank you, I looked it up before posting, I always do; I found related articles to places, which did not explain the obvious connotation of type of group. |
29 mins
Tarik Boussetta
You come, You see, and YOU CONQUER!
Native in: Arabic
Works in: Arabic to English, English to Arabic, Arabic to French, and 2 more.
the caracol(es)
the caracol(es)
1>>>Amongst all this ambiguity and uncertainty of what the future holds for the Caracoles and the Good Governments, its worth giving Marcos the last word as he watched them being built: ‘It has suddenly occurred to me that these men and women do not appear to be building a few houses. It seems as if it is a new world which is being built in the middle of all this bustle. Perhaps not… but perhaps yes…’
In the Oventic Caracol alone, in one year they had dealt with 2,921 persons from other countries and with 1,537 from Mexico. They register all Zapatista based co-operatives, associations and producers to reduce the growing number of people posing as Zapatistas, and in the face of increasing numbers of people impersonating Zapatistas to illegally extract funds from civil society, they act as a contact point to verify who is, and is not, a member of a Zapatista community. (see the link plz)
>>>>http://www.stateofnature.org/theZapatistaCaracoles.html
2>>> http://www.envio.org.ni/articulo/2499
1>>>Amongst all this ambiguity and uncertainty of what the future holds for the Caracoles and the Good Governments, its worth giving Marcos the last word as he watched them being built: ‘It has suddenly occurred to me that these men and women do not appear to be building a few houses. It seems as if it is a new world which is being built in the middle of all this bustle. Perhaps not… but perhaps yes…’
In the Oventic Caracol alone, in one year they had dealt with 2,921 persons from other countries and with 1,537 from Mexico. They register all Zapatista based co-operatives, associations and producers to reduce the growing number of people posing as Zapatistas, and in the face of increasing numbers of people impersonating Zapatistas to illegally extract funds from civil society, they act as a contact point to verify who is, and is not, a member of a Zapatista community. (see the link plz)
>>>>http://www.stateofnature.org/theZapatistaCaracoles.html
2>>> http://www.envio.org.ni/articulo/2499
Reference comments
47 mins
Patricia Rosas
United States
United States
Native in English
Specializes in field
United States
servicios para autores académicos
Native in: English
Works in: Spanish to English, English
Related KudoZ points
:
156
Reference:
found a number of references with some good explanations
see here: http://tinyurl.com/cw3h22
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Note added at 48 mins (2009-02-04 00:50:51 GMT)
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Oops, meant to say supporting Joss and Gretchen's answers
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Note added at 48 mins (2009-02-04 00:50:51 GMT)
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Oops, meant to say supporting Joss and Gretchen's answers
1 hr
Juan Jacob
Mexico
Mexico
Native in Spanish
Mexico
Literatura, historia, subtitulaje
Native in: Spanish (Variants: Mexican, Latin American) , French (Variants: Belgian, Standard-France)
Works in: French to Spanish, Spanish to French, French, and 5 more.
Related KudoZ points
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4
Reference:
63,600
Google hits with Caracoles zapatistas, isn't that enough?
Caracol de Oventic is in Chiapas, Mexico, not in Bolivia!
Caracol de Oventic is in Chiapas, Mexico, not in Bolivia!
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