Glossary entry (derived from question below)
English term or phrase:
threatened the expansion of
French translation:
risquait d\'encourager une expansion de
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Stephanie Sullivan
Apr 6, 2017 17:30
7 yrs ago
English term
threatened the expansion of
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There are five main reasons for the countries’ low level of cooperation: First, cooperation with Bashir-al-Turabi **threatened the expansion of Islamic extremist ideology into Egypt because of his support for the Muslim Brotherhood. Second, Sudan’s decision to give sanctuary to Umar Abd al-Rahman, a leader of the banned Islamic Jihad organization, was one of the core factors for the deterioration of Egypt’s relations with Sudan. Third, Sudan’s President Bashir was building some strong ties with the Iranian leaders, who were considered to be a threat to Egypt. Fourth, Sudan was very close to Libya’s leaders, who were not on good terms with Egypt.
Proposed translations
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3 +1 | risquait d'encourager une expansion de | Marion Feildel (X) |
4 | A menacé l'expansion | S.J |
4 | A constitué une menace pour l'expansion | Tatiana Subarevic |
4 -1 | a mis un frein à l'essor du | Peter LEGUIE |
3 | compromettait l'expansion de | Anne-Marie Laliberté (X) |
References
Some background | B D Finch |
Proposed translations
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risquait d'encourager une expansion de
"threatened to encourage the expansion of"? Sinon la phrase n'a pas de sens dans le contexte de ces "five main reasons for the countries’ low level of cooperation".
Je suppose qu'on parle ici des relations entre le Soudan et l'Égypte. Comme le président égyptien est contre l'extrêmisme islamiste en général et les Frères Musulmans en particulier, il serait ravi si qqn mettait un frein à leur expansion en Égypte. Donc cela ne figurerait pas dans les 5 raisons de la dégradation des relations entre les deux pays. C'est juste une idée.
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Réflexion faite, je propose la traduction suivante : FAIT PESER LA MENACE d'une expansion de...
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A FAIT
Je suppose qu'on parle ici des relations entre le Soudan et l'Égypte. Comme le président égyptien est contre l'extrêmisme islamiste en général et les Frères Musulmans en particulier, il serait ravi si qqn mettait un frein à leur expansion en Égypte. Donc cela ne figurerait pas dans les 5 raisons de la dégradation des relations entre les deux pays. C'est juste une idée.
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Réflexion faite, je propose la traduction suivante : FAIT PESER LA MENACE d'une expansion de...
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A FAIT
Peer comment(s):
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B D Finch
: Sauf le fait que les Frères Musulmans ne sont pas, à mon avis, un organisme qui prône l'extrémisme islamiste. The US claims that it is, but then they support the al-Sisi dictatorship.//Indeed, he would be, having deposed the democratically elected Morsi.
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Merci beaucoup. En fait, je voulais simplement dire qu'Al-Sissi est l'ennemi juré des FM.
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Merci Marion"
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A menacé l'expansion
Mon traduction
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a mis un frein à l'essor du
"Mis un frein" may be a little too strong: in which case one may use "menacé" or "fait obstacle à".
Peer comment(s):
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Tony M
: I'm not sure we can take 'expansion' as far as 'essor' — it really amounts to over-interpretation, surely? / Yes, because that's exactly what "over-interpretation" means!
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Are you really sure, Tony, considering what is going on nowadays?
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B D Finch
: No, the meaning is that it threatened to bring about the expansion ... , not to stop it.
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A constitué une menace pour l'expansion
Cette solution me semble plus fidèle à l'idée de l'auteur anglophone
Peer comment(s):
agree |
Maïté Mendiondo-George
: ceci me semble bien être fidèle aussi à a réalité historique
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disagree |
B D Finch
: On the contrary!
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compromettait l'expansion de
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Reference comments
1 day 34 mins
Reference:
Some background
"LES islamistes eux-mêmes se divisent en deux catégories : les « conservateurs », les wahhabites par exemple, qui considèrent que la charia est un système global et figé ; les « évolutionnistes », pour lesquels la loi musulmane est un système universel de valeurs qu’il faudrait interpréter et adapter. Mais cette classification ne vaut que dans le domaine de l’interprétation des textes. Il convient de faire appel à d’autres catégories, souvent imbriquées, pour caractériser l’action politique : d’un côté, les « révolutionnaires », qui appellent à la création d’un Etat islamiste « du sommet jusqu’à la base de la société » en recourant si nécessaire à la violence ; de l’autre, les « réformistes », comme les Frères musulmans, pour lesquels l’Etat musulman peut être créé « de la base jusqu’au sommet » grâce à des changements progressifs et à un consensus politique. Les deux courants sont d’ailleurs analysés avec une grande clarté dans l’article de Iyad Barghouti traitant de la Jordanie et des territoires palestiniens. Le Djihad islamique et le Parti de la libération islamique (Hizb al-Tahrir) appartiendraient au courant révolutionnaire, la confrérie des Frères musulmans dirigerait les « réformistes »."
Discussion
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" ... main reasons for the countries’ low level of cooperation: First, cooperation with [al-Bashir and al-Turabi OR al-Turabi]? threatened the expansion of Islamic extremist ideology into Egypt because of his support for the Muslim Brotherhood".
Analysing that statement:
a) The "he" who supported the Muslim Brotherhood was al-Turabi (indeed, he was a leading member).
b) It is certainly logical for the author to state that cooperation with al-Turabi would have encouraged "the expansion of Islamic extremist ideology into Egypt". It would be totally illogical for the author to state that such cooperation would have restricted or stopped such expansion. (The Muslim Brotherhood was founded in and has had its main influence and membership in Egypt. So, "expansion ... in Egypt", not "into".)
Al-Bashir may have a lot to answer for, including possible war crimes in Darfur, corruption and money laundering, however the Islamist wasn't him, but al-Turabi. The latter's membership of the Muslim Brotherhood, in itself, hardly rates as extremism and the MB tends to be anti-corruption." In March 2009, al-Bashir became the first sitting president to be indicted by the International Criminal Court (ICC), for allegedly directing a campaign of mass killing, rape, and pillage against civilians in Darfur." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_al-Bashir#Tensions_with_H...
Arguably, one reason why successive Egyptian dictators have outlawed the Muslim Brotherhood is its opposition to their corruption, not to mention its opposition to mass killing, rape, and pillage, torture of prisoners etc.
And if I back translate your answer, I would say "was threatening": is that what you mean?
You are however right about over-interpretation: I got carried away by my imagination and feelings! Sorry.
Also, the source text only says 'threatened', not that it actually affected it.. again, there is a risk of over-interpretation. "This afternoon it threatened to rain, but in the end the sun came out."
But 'expansion' can be just starting ('nipped in the bud') or ongoing — but 'essor' seems to me a judgement, implying a certain quality of 'expansion' ('booming', etc.) that is simply not there in the totally neutral source text; we simply don't know what the author's viewpoint is, so we must not "put words into their mouth" — that's the meaning of 'over-interpretation': taking into consideration what we know from our own knowledge when interpreting someone else's text. It can of course inform us — but it must not influence us to the point of using coloured language.