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Glossary entry

Latin term or phrase:

minor probatur

English translation:

minor (premise) is proved

Added to glossary by Luis Antonio de Larrauri
May 1, 2009 10:38
15 yrs ago
Latin term

minor probatur

Latin to English Art/Literary Music
Is it a superficial examination.
Proposed translations (English)
5 +1 minor is proved
2 -1 a/the minor (scale) is shown to be appropriate/fit/serviceable
Change log

May 8, 2009 15:49: Luis Antonio de Larrauri Created KOG entry

Discussion

Luis Antonio de Larrauri May 5, 2009:
a possibility According to the additional context I see in your question from English>Hebrew, I think the translation could be: The fact that the minor premise is proved lead us to the induction that...
And, in the 2nd quote, simply: The minor is proved: it is a prime substantial subject...
Luis Antonio de Larrauri May 1, 2009:
Paragraph Definitely, we need the whole paragraph (words before and after) to know exactly what the author is talking about.
Luis Antonio de Larrauri May 1, 2009:
Link Here I send a link that might help:<br><br>http://books.google.es/books?id=v2J1OSGw7lwC&pg=PA31&lpg=PA3...
Luis Antonio de Larrauri May 1, 2009:
And words before And which are the previous words? Probably they will give us some clue of what "minor" refers exactly to.
Gad Kohenov (asker) May 1, 2009:
addtional information Minor Probatur leads us to the induction that the music manages timing and modes etc.
Luis Antonio de Larrauri May 1, 2009:
context Could you provide more context? The words before and after would help

Proposed translations

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minor is proved

From what I see on the Internet, it refers to a minor premise. A syllogism has a major and a minor premise, and in this case the minor is proved.

Leibniz - Theodicy - [ Traducir esta página ]Again this second minor is proved thus: 2. Prosyllogism. That which is future, that which is foreseen, that which is involved in the causes, ...
www.class.uidaho.edu/mickelsen/texts/Leibniz - Theodicy.htm - 29k -

Perkin Transactions 1 Articles - [ Traducir esta página ]The structures and relative stereochemistries of all the products, major and minor, is proved by alternative syntheses and/or conversions into known ...
xlink.rsc.org/?DOI=P19920003309 - 16k - En caché - Páginas similares
de I Fleming - 1992 - Artículos relacionados - Las 2 versiones

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Here there are examples in Latin:

capitulum tertium Maior est nota, et minor probatur, quia ista propositio 'Sortes currit' potest esse vera in eodem tempore in quo ista potest esse vera 'Sortes non currit', ...
www.unav.es/filosofia/pilzarbe1/medulla_dyalectices/capitul... - 18k -

Peter of Candia: II Sent., q. 3, a. 1Consequentia et maior patent et minor probatur, quia quid educitur per productionem ... Sed minor probatur, quia omnia quae possunt ad invicem alterari ...
www.ucy.ac.cy/isa/Candia/SentII-3-1.htm - 71k - Cached - Similar pages

[DOC] AV In DA I Q3 (1477, B1-50, 11)File Format: Microsoft Word - View as HTML
Minor probatur ab Avicenna, primo suae Metaphysicae, capitulo 5o, ubi dicit quod res ... Maior est de se nota; sed minor probatur ex dictis adversariorum. ...
www.socsci.kun.nl/~johnvdb/Philosophy_14th_Century/Vargas/Q... - Similar pages

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Note added at 3 days20 hrs (2009-05-05 07:14:56 GMT)
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Cambridge Translations of Renaissance Philosophical Texts: Moral ... - Google Books Resultby Jill Kraye - 1997 - Philosophy - 300 pages
The **minor premise** is proved by that fact that the will is not a faculty of apprehension but of desire, and its action is not apprehension but inclination, ...
books.google.es/books?isbn=0521426049...

I Dial. 4, 6-12The minor [premise] is proved because if anyone is bound explicitly to believe some catholic assertion, he is so bound either (a) because such an assertion ...
www.britac.ac.uk/pubS/dialogus/t1d4b1.html - 65k - Cached - Similar pages

Full text of "Logic and argument"The hypothetical argument has the ad- vantage of getting the conclusion admitted on the condition that the **minor premise is proved**. It designs, therefore ...
www.archive.org/stream/logicargument00hysliala/logicargumen... - 383k - Cached - Similar pages
The essential Aquinas: writings on philosophy, religion, and society - Google Books Resultby Thomas, Thomas Aquinas, John Y. B. Hood - 2002 - Religion - 230 pages
The **minor premise is proved** thus. A discipline or body of knowledge can be termed "divine" in two ways, and only this discipline or body of knowledge is ...
books.google.es/books?isbn=0275978184...
Peer comment(s):
neutral Joseph Brazauskas : So I thought at first, based upon these and other texts. But the field is music, not philosophy./I must disagree. The treatise which I've cited in my note employs this phrase in a clearly musical context repeatedly.
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After some research, I have verified that it always has a logical philosophical meaning.
agree Jim Tucker (X) : Yes, "the minor premise is proven," a common formulation in logical syllogism. You have to supply the noun. The major/minor of music is a red herring here. see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syllogism
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Thank you, Jim
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a/the minor (scale) is shown to be appropriate/fit/serviceable

I am fairly certain that 'minor' here refers to a minor scale vs. a major one, such as C, in which most modern Western music is composed. Many modern composers and musical theorists, at least prior to the 20th century, looked upon minor scales with disdain, as sounding 'uncouth', 'barbaric', or the like, but in antiquity certainly, and perhaps during the Middle Ages, they were preferred to major scales. (Plato, for example, condemns C major as 'effeminate'.)

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Note added at 2 hrs (2009-05-01 13:16:02 GMT)
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The following discussion my prove helpful:

http://www.chmtl.indiana.edu/tml/15th/UGODEC3B_TEXT.html

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Note added at 6 hrs (2009-05-01 16:47:37 GMT)
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Possibly ‘minor probatur’ does refer to an examination of sorts. According to Lewis & Short (s.v. probo, I et A), the primary meaning of ‘probare’ is ‘to try, test, examine, inspect, judge of anything in respect of its goodness, fitness, etc.’ They cite, e.g., Pliny Sr. (Historia Naturalis, 12.14.32, §65, ‘tus probatur candore’, ‘(the quality of) incense is tested by its brightness’. If ‘probatur’ bears this meaning here, and if ‘minor’ refers to a minor musical scale (or, as I now suspect, to a shorter note), the phrase would mean ‘a minor scale (or ‘shorter note’) is assessed’ by reference to its length. It is perhaps also relevant that the tempo of music is determined by the length of its notes, as classical Greek and Latin poetry are measured by the length of their syllables, in both cases without reference to accent, be the accent tonic or stress. The following passage from Ugolino Urbevetanis’ treatise, to which I’ve provided the link above, may have some bearing upon this interpretation:

Maior ex se patet, minor probatur quia semibrevis ex se est nota prolationis, brevis est nota temporis, longa modi minoris et maxima modi maioris. Cum autem non sint plures mensurae, minima ex se non est nota alicuius mensurae, ergo nec est perfecta nec imperfecta, igitur, et cetera.

That is to say, in music, as in classical poetry, the tempo may vary from its natural value under certain conditions—in poetry these would be its immediate phonetic environment, which would permit a syllable to be shortened or prolonged according to certain metrical conventions—and thus a ‘short’ (‘brevis’) note (or, in poetry, syllable) might be said to be ‘tested’ regarding its apparent vs. its natural length.



Peer comment(s):
disagree Luis Antonio de Larrauri : If you see the sentence just before your quote, you'll see that Ugolino is using a syll.: From "omnis" to "imperfectae", maior premise, from sed to mensurae, minor premise, and igitur introduces conclusion. He uses these syll. throughout the text
22 hrs
You may be right. But I've come to suspect that the answer is that proposed byt the asker, i.e., that it is some kind of superficial examination.
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