Glossary entry

French term or phrase:

sous le sceau du secret

English translation:

on a confidential basis

Added to glossary by Mark Nathan
Dec 11, 2009 11:43
14 yrs ago
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French term

sous le sceau du secret

Non-PRO French to English Law/Patents Law: Contract(s) confidentiality agreement
Cependant les engagements ci-dessus ne s’appliqueront pas aux informations suivantes :
• celles transmises sur la demande expresse des autorités administratives.
• celles qui sont du domaine public ou qui seraient portées à la connaissance du public, sauf par la faute de l’une des Parties.
• Celles qui appartenaient en propre à l’une des Parties avant communication, étant entendu que ladite partie pourra apporter la preuve qu’elles n’avaient pas été obtenues par l’autre partie, directement ou indirectement sous le sceau du secret.

I have said "in the context of the exchange of confidential information" but have to admit that I am not entirely sure of the thrust of this clause and would welcome any clarification.
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Dec 12, 2009 13:56: Sandra & Kenneth Grossman changed "Level" from "PRO" to "Non-PRO"

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Non-PRO (3): writeaway, Chris Hall, Sandra & Kenneth Grossman

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Discussion

Mark Nathan (asker) Dec 12, 2009:
Chris But this refers to information owned "in its own right" by either of the parties. My understanding is that the confidentiality agreement will not apply to such information, assuming that they can prove that they did indeed own it beforehand and did not obtain it FROM the other party on a supposedly confidential basis. So I interpret "par" in the sense of "par le biais de".
Chris Hall Dec 11, 2009:
I see no problem here... "par l'autre partie" makes sense to me.

que ladite partie pourra apporter la preuve qu’elles n’avaient pas été obtenues par l’autre partie, directement ou indirectement sous le sceau du secret
= that the said party will be able to prove that the information had not been obtained by the other party, directly or indirectly in strictest secrecy / confidentiality.
Mark Nathan (asker) Dec 11, 2009:
The real problem is not really sceau du secret, but the sense of the whole sentence, I would have thought it should be "de l'autre partie" rather than "par l'autre partie".

Proposed translations

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on a confidential basis

Termium plus.
Peer comment(s):

agree John Detre
41 mins
Thanks a lot~! :))
agree Jack Dunwell : rolls over the tongue,D
3 hrs
-> Thanks a lot~! :))
agree Barbara Wiebking
10 hrs
Thanks a lot~! :))
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in strictest secrecy / confidentiality

Source: http://www.wordreference.com/fren/sceau

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Note added at 4 mins (2009-12-11 11:48:42 GMT)
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sous le sceau du secret - in strictest secrecy
Peer comment(s):

agree mimi 254
28 mins
Many thanks. Best regards, Chris.
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7 hrs

designated as confidential information

The information belonged initially to Party 1 (the disclosing party). Party 1 can disclose such info only if it can prove that this information was never designated as confidential when it was communicated to Party 2.
This is mutual, of course, so "exchange of confidential information" is OK.
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Under the seal of secrecy

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Note added at 7 heures (2009-12-11 19:42:06 GMT)
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When a Catholic goes to confession, we can talk about secrecy, confidentiality or secrecy. In this case, we seem to be talking
about the relation between a lawyer and his client or a doctor and his patient ...
Peer comment(s):

disagree Chris Hall : The most literal translation without doubt, but doesn't sound quite right to me.
3 hrs
It sounds quite right to me! "seal of secrecy" rakes in 27 600 ghits and "under the seal of secrecy" rakes in 144 000 ghits ...
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RC:
sous le sceau du secret under the seal of secrecy

WWW search

sceau traduction sceau définition sceau dictionnaire
Définition de sceau dans le dictionnaire français en ligne. Sens du mot. ... Sous le sceau du secret, sous la condition que le secret sera bien gardé. ... sous le sceau du secret → under the seal of secrecy sous le sceau de l'anonymat ...
fr.thefreedictionary.com/sceau - France

Traduction : sous le sceau du secret - dictionnaire Français ...
[cachet] seal apposer ou mettre son sceau sur un document to affix one's seal on ou to a document. sous le sceau du secret under the seal of secrecy ...
www.larousse.fr/.../sous le sceau du secret/70570

Traduction violation du secret professionnel dans le dictionnaire ...
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in the utmost secrecy, adv. sous le sceau du secret, Reverso DG8. under the seal of secrecy, adv. sous le sceau du secret, Reverso DG8 ...
dictionnaire.reverso.net/.../violation%20du%20secret%20professionnel - France

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