German term
ueberliefert
Ueberliefert is giving me trouble throughout this whole document. Passed down doesnt sound right to me. Available perhaps?
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Lancashireman
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Michael Martin, MA
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| 5 | to pass on (information) |
Goran urukalo
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Machiel van Veen (X)
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Irina-Livia
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Maureen Millington-Brodie
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Feb 3, 2016 07:16: Ramey Rieger (X) changed "Level" from "Non-PRO" to "PRO"
PRO (3): Cilian O'Tuama, barbarameyer, Ramey Rieger (X)
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Proposed translations
United Kingdom
surviving
Otherwise, see: http://www.linguee.de/deutsch-englisch/search?source=auto&qu...
Also: https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1...
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This was the intended Linguee link: http://www.linguee.de/deutsch-englisch/search?source=auto&qu...
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Donald Jacobson
: Or extant
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Good option. Thanks.
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philgoddard
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Helen Shiner
: Or as Donald says, extant.
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William Howden
: Extant is indeed correct, but surviving seems to better fit the tone of the sentence.
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Armorel Young
: Yes, provided that you're very careful about what you do with "Dies lag", because it's not their survival that the Reichtum and Schriftlichkeit have ensured but their creation in the first place.
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Cilian O'Tuama
: Nice one!
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Michele Fauble
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Ramey Rieger (X)
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Paul Cohen
: "aus dieser Zeit ist nichts überliefert" = "no records of this period have survived" (Langenscheidt)
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Eleanore Strauss
: Ueberliefert is actually handed down, but in this context, surviving is more apt
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gangels (X)
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Veronika Neuhold
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Romania
Native in: Romanian 
Works in: English to Romanian, French to Romanian, German to Romanian, and 9 more.
transmitted, forwarded
The second variant says perhaps a bit too much as compared with the original text, but you'll know from the context if it applies or not...
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Armorel Young
: no, you can't say "forwarded to future generations forms of inventories" in English/"forwarding" simply isn't the right term here - we're not talking about forwarding an email.
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Right. I rather meant "one of the forms of inventories most frequently forwarded to future generations".
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handed down
United Kingdom
33 years of experience
Native in: English
Works in: Arabic to English, German to English
passed on
Slovenia
Transform boundaries into bridges
Native in: Slovenian
Works in: Slovenian to English, English to Slovenian, German to English, and 3 more.
to pass on (information)
Hope this helps you out a bit
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Armorel Young
: the context here isn't the passing on of (intangible) knowledge and information but the survival of tangible artefacts (inventories)
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United States
Creativity wins in the long run
Native in: German (Variant: Germany) , English (Variant: US)
Works in: German to English
recorded
"The most frequently recorded furnishings of houses were beds and their accessories."
https://www.google.com/#q="most frequently recorded furnishi...
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The definition of "überliefert" says nothing about the extent to which historical objects may have survived. The second Duden definition applies here and quite clearly refers to recorded information or knowledge that has been passed down. Whether anything survived at all is not the point here. The reference to “Schriftlichkeit des Klerus” points us in the right direction..
http://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/ueberliefert
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Again, the point of 'überliefert' is not to state how many artifacts have "survived'" but to indicate there are records available that prove their (prior) existence regardless of whether they're still around or not.
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Again, the point of 'überliefert' is not to state how many artifacts have "survived'" but to indicate there are records available that prove their (prior) existence regardless of whether they're still around or not.
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Cilian O'Tuama
: recorded quite clearly doesn't imply passed down, as überliefert does
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As an isolated term, it doesn't. In context, it does. But ‘passed down’ is insufficient anyway, as it doesn’t make the need for a reliable written or physical record front and center the way 'überliefert' does.
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Stephanie Busch
: The second Duden definition ("nachweisbar belegt") fits well, as "überliefert" is not used in isolation here, but together with "am häufigsten". How often can a type of inventory be handed down?
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Thanks, Stephanie. Looks like there's a dire need for German native speakers to weigh in on this..!
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barbarameyer
: es ist (schriftlich) überliefert --> there are (written) records testifying to it; es ist überliefert, dass --> dokumentarisch records indicate that http://de.langenscheidt.com/deutsch-englisch/ueberliefert
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Thank you, Barbara!
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Kristina Cosumano (X)
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