Glossary entry

Dutch term or phrase:

geboortebagage

English translation:

native equipment

Added to glossary by Barend van Zadelhoff
Dec 9, 2013 09:55
10 yrs ago
Dutch term

geboortebagage

Dutch to English Social Sciences Psychology research papers
Goodmorning,

Iedereen heeft zijn eigen geboortebagage en dat bepaalt mede of je van een dubbeltje een kwartje wordt.


My client wants to know if there is a solid one-word translation for 'geboortebagage'. I am inclined to say there isn't and that a more descriptive translation is the best option here.

Thank you for your help!
Change log

Dec 9, 2013 11:56: writeaway changed "Field" from "Art/Literary" to "Social Sciences"

Dec 9, 2013 18:31: Edith Kelly changed "Level" from "Non-PRO" to "PRO"

Dec 11, 2013 10:32: Barend van Zadelhoff Created KOG entry

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PRO (3): freekfluweel, Tineke Van Beukering, Edith Kelly

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Discussion

Michael Beijer Dec 14, 2013:
:-o 'The raptures of the deep self are our native equipment, granted us by our cosmic origins.'
Barend van Zadelhoff Dec 14, 2013:
Unlike this miserable guy, she a native English speaker.

Jean Houston, Ph.D.

See CV:

http://www.jeanhouston.com/Jean-Houston/

At your core you already know this to be so. Surely, there are times in your life when you understand yourself to be a reality surfer, delightedly riding the waves of creation, mind opened, heart expanded, the Universe coursing through you. In such states, you are embraced in co-conscious awareness, no longer knowing or caring where “I” leave off and the rest of reality begins, or whether there is any difference. This experience is one of the supreme givens of our nature because the Universe in its operational mode is coded into every one of us. The raptures of the deep self are our native equipment, granted us by our cosmic origins. The only requirement is joy and a willingness to say “yes” to the new epic that dawns, right now, in you and me and those fortunate to be alive in the great today. We are seeds coded with cosmic dreams. Bursting the pods of our containment, we are ready to enter into creative partnership with the Universe and to populate our particular corner of space-time with our unique vision and capacity.

http://www.awaken.com/2012/11/spirituality-in-jump-time/
Barend van Zadelhoff Dec 12, 2013:
Is het de bedoeling dat ik hier op reageer?
Tina Vonhof (X) Dec 12, 2013:
Ik ben het eens met Michael, in figuurlijke betekenis klinkt het niet goed in het Engels.
Michael Beijer Dec 11, 2013:
@Barend: Mijn argument, als je het dat wilt noemen, draait helemaal niet om hoeveel hits we kunnen vinden vóór of tegen. Het gaat mij om hoe het klinkt in het Engels. Het klinkt gewoon een beetje raar. Te technisch, stuntelig en pseudowetenschappelijk. Ga je gang, gebruik het maar. Mij niet gezien hoor!
Barend van Zadelhoff Dec 11, 2013:
Alleen al op de 1e pagina vind ik 4 voorbeelden.

Verder een argument als 'omdat er van het een meer is dan het ander is het een juist' is ongeldig.
Je moet naar de inhoud kijken.
Zoals ik al heb gezegd, ik vind 'equipment' heel goed bij 'bagage' passen.

Op de 1e pagina:

1) The Religious Factor in Native Equipment

2) In psychology and epistemology: refers to the data of the mind which owe their origin to the outside world of human experience. Such data are acquired by the mind and do not belong to the mind's native equipment (a priori)


3) Similarly, psychologist-philosopher Arthur Koestler devotes his work The Ghost in the Machine to the thesis that “man’s native equipment ... contains some builtin error or deficiency which predisposes him towards self-distruction”

3) Nativism: the basic conception of reality is not derived from senses: some ideas constitute our native equipment for understanding the world, which we bring to bear on our experience of it.
Michael Beijer Dec 11, 2013:
Please compare: https://www.google.com/search?espv=210&es_sm=93&q="native ca... (Google search for "native capacities" site:uk; About 3,010 results)

https://www.google.com/search?espv=210&es_sm=93&q="inborn ca... (Google search for "inborn capacities"; About 492 results)

https://www.google.com/search?q="native equipment" site:uk&o... (Google search for "native equipment"; About 209 results)
Michael Beijer Dec 11, 2013:
@Barend: Yes, I know that it is possible to find a few references where people use the phrase 'native equipment'. However, as a native speaker, I would say that it is not very common to use it in this way. It’s not incorrect, just a little strange. However, the Asker has specified 'Social Sciences - Psychology / research papers', so it might be fine. I would need to know a bit more about the actual text it would end up in before I would feel safe to use it.

I think native/inborn capacities is a lot more common and probably a safer bet.
Michael Beijer Dec 9, 2013:
#5 'Ik ben niet zo rap van oordeel, ik vind dat je pas kan oordelen over hoe moeilijk iets voor iemand is als je in de persoon zijn schoenen staat en dat niet voor één dag, maar langere tijd. Bovendien is de ene persoon al gevoeliger of meer beïnvloedbaar dan de andere. Eigen schuld, misschien wel ja - maar niet iedereen heeft bij zijn geboorte evenveel bagage meegekregen en daar moet je ook rekening mee houden, vind ik.' (http://forum.zappybaby.be/viewtopic.php?f=417&t=296959 )
freekfluweel Dec 9, 2013:
gifts of birth laten we het positief houden... echter niet te verwarren met het boek/stichting "12 gifts of birth"
Michael Beijer Dec 9, 2013:
#4 'We hebben bij onze geboorte een bepaalde genetische bagage meegekregen, en het is inmiddels duidelijk dat de omgevingsfactoren die voor, tijdens en na de geboorte op onze genen inwerken van cruciaal belang zijn. De effecten van onze opvoeding, van de sociale omgeving en van ziekte en gezondheid op ons geestelijk welbevinden zijn wetenschappelijk aangetoond.' (http://www.psyraad.nl/index.php?oid=3 )
Michael Beijer Dec 9, 2013:
#3 'Tekst van een lezing die mw. Waanders april vorig jaar hield voor de NVA (Nederlandse Vereniging voor Autisme).

In het kind zelf ligt vanaf de conceptie een opdracht besloten: 'groot groeien en ontwikkelen'. Het kind heeft bij zijn geboorte 'bagage' bij zich die hem in staat stelt zich op unieke wijze te ontwikkelen. Bouw­stenen van zijn persoonlijkheid, zoals karakter, tem­perament, motivatie, vitaliteit, introversie of extra­versie, gemakkelijk zijn of juist wat moeilijker.' (http://www.autismeinfocentrum.nl/fetch_html_cat.html?mnu=tma... )
Michael Beijer Dec 9, 2013:
#2 'In vijf stappen naar excellente prestaties

Ik had aan die zin toe moeten voegen, dat een nagenoeg gelijke ervaring voor de een geheel andere wijzen van reageren met zich meebrengt dan voor de ander. De ''geboortebagage'' is hier mede bepalend in.

Ik besef goed, dat ik hier een aanname doe. Willen wij hierover zekerheid, dan moeten wij een lastige en voor mij onethische proef doen. Babies moeten direct na hun geboorte zeker 10 jaar geisoleerd worden in exact gelijke ruimtes, exact gelijk worden gevoed en alle andere omstandigheden moeten ook exact gelijk zijn. Indien al die babies na 10 jaar op alles exact gelijk reageren, is aannemelijk gemaakt, dat de ''geboortebagage'' voor een ieder gelijk is en dat talentontwikkeling uitsluitend een zaak is van gericht en gedisciplineerd doorzetten.'

(www.managersonline.nl: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Sy1_667... )
Michael Beijer Dec 9, 2013:
meaning of 'geboortebagage' (#1) '"Ik & anderen" en "het mijne en het jouwe" zijn dualiteiten.

Dualiteitsdenken is voor ons volwassenen zó normaal dat we niet in de gaten hebben dat dualiteitsdenken een aangeleerd circuskunstje is. Dat circuskunstje hoort niet bij onze geboortebagage.
(...)
Dualiteitendenkers leven niet meer volgens hun geboortebagage.

Het onderwijs:
Na een paar jaartjes mogen kinderen naar school. Wat gebeurt daar?
Wordt het kind door de invloed van het onderwijs bij zijn geboortebagage gehouden?' (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&c... )
freekfluweel Dec 9, 2013:
7 Ghits op *.NL, zal lastig worden...

Proposed translations

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5 hrs
Selected

native capacities/equipment

native equipment
or native capacities

I like 'native equipment'
However, it's two words.

In this paper,I outline the characteristics or sensibilities of the Net Generation and examine some other views of the Net Generation.
I then consider the design of optimal conditions for learning by the Net Generation.
I argue that learners bring a range of natural, inherent, or native capacities to the learning environment but teachers are able to do little to enhance or develop these native capacities.
Learners also bring a range of previously learned capacities.
They bring a range of attitudes, proclivities, and sensibilities that teachers can encourage or discourage, enhance or diminish, or enliven or deaden.

http://www.academia.edu/4647761/Educating_the_Net_Generation...

"The truth is that all of us attain the greatest success and happiness possible in this life whenever we use our native capacities to their greatest extent."

-- Smiley Blanton

http://www.quoteworld.org/quotes/1550

NATIVE EQUIPMENT OF MAN

.... and (2) the bodily state of prepared-ness for that reaction. It is clear also that native equip-ment provides for the internal preparation as well as for the overt reaction.

Besides sensations, emotions, and reactions, native equipment also includes aptitudes or 'gifts' for certain activities, or for dealing with certain classes of things.
We recognize this type of native aptitude when we speak of one person as having a natural gift for music, another for mathematics, another for mechanics, another for salesmanship. No doubt many such aptitudes are complex and demand analysis at the hands of the psychologist;

We find resemblances between members of a family in ability to perform tests of an unusual sort, but calling for specific abilities; and, all in all, we cannot escape the conclusion that aptitudes are hereditary and form part of the native equipment. They are often designated as 'native capacities'.


http://archive.org/stream/DynamicPsychology/TXT/0000 - 0066....

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Our native equipment has been called by various names. The most common terms used are reflexes, instincts, impulses, inborn capacities, original nature, unlearned tendencies, and unlearned reactions. We prefer to use the term "native equipment" for all responses or possibilities of responses made by the human being that are not acquired by him. This equipment is possible because of an inherited form of nervous organization. Every human being comes into the world with certain neural patterns which enable him to act in rather definite ways. He inherits these patterns from the race, through his immediate ancestors. From our parents we inherit, directly or indirectly, color of eyes, shape of nose, texture of skin, color of hair, and perhaps height and other physical characteristics. Besides these physical characteristics we inherit tendencies toward certain mental traits and capacities, such as abilities in the languages, mathematics, or art, mechanical and musical abilities, or perhaps desires and emotional reactions. There is some evidence that our tempers, moods, or vivaciousness also may be inherited. The nature of unlearned responses, the universality of native equipment, reflexes, capacity to learn, modifiability of man's native equipment, maturation, special unlearned tendencies, gregariousness, play, and their importance to education are considered.

http://psycnet.apa.org/books/13416/004
Peer comment(s):

agree Michael Beijer : I like 'native capacities'. Maybe also 'inborn capacities'. I think 'native equipment' is less good.
10 hrs
Thank you, Michael. My idea is 'geboortebagage' is 'geboorte- + bagage' = 'native + equipment (being equipped with)' . 'native equipment' is more comprehensive than 'native capacities', it's all native/inborn functions. Also see references.
neutral freekfluweel : ... en als de context Indianen betreft... ;-)
18 hrs
Slaat echt nergens op, Freek. De context laat geen er geen enkel misverstand over bestaan wat hier met 'native' wordt bedoeld en ik zou zeggen lees de referenties. 'native' heeft meer dan 1 betekenis.
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11 mins

social background

wat je bij je geboorte meekrijgt - de sociale omgeving/situatie waarin je geboren wordt
Peer comment(s):

neutral freekfluweel : Slaat niet alleen op sociale omgeving maar ook op aangeboren persoonlijke talenten...
6 mins
Ja daar heb je inderdaad wel gelijk in
neutral Michael Beijer : agree with Freek
22 mins
ja, ik ook inmiddels
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17 mins

emotional baggage, behaviour patterns, belief systems

I cannot think of a one-word solution but the above are several two-word ones. Emotional baggage is an umbrella term that embraces the other two. My preference would be to use "emotional baggage" because it is closest to the source term.
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30 mins

(some people are) born with certain talents

Source: 'Iedereen heeft zijn eigen geboortebagage en dat bepaalt mede of je van een dubbeltje een kwartje wordt.'

Maybe something like: 'some people are born with certain talents'.

This would be one way of translating it.

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Oops, I meant to provide two different Example sentences. Here is the second one:

'However, some people believe that only children born with certain talents can succeed to become an artist or a good sports person.'
Example sentence:

It is generally believed that some people are born with certain talents, for instance for sport or music, and others are not.

It is generally believed that some people are born with certain talents, for instance for sport or music, and others are not.

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15 hrs

personal heritage

Heritage: that which comes or belongs to one by reason of birth

Two words, but it is concise.

Heritage can be many things, see:

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/heritage




Peer comment(s):

neutral Michael Beijer : Not so sure about this, in this context. See e.g. http://interactions.acm.org/archive/view/may-june-2013/there...
12 mins
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23 hrs

innateness

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+1
1 day 2 hrs

inborn capacities

Although I also like Barend's 'native capacities', I thought I'd add this as a separate answer as well.

About Barend's second suggestion, 'native equipment', I'd say that although I have seen it used here and there it does strike me as perhaps a little peculiar, and maybe something that might only be used in a – somewhat dated – psychology context.
Example sentence:

The functions that have primary autonomy include intellectual ability, perception, and motor activity (motility), as well as inborn capacities that facilitate the acquisition of language and make it possible to plan and initiate goal-directed behavior.

According to Rogers, the primary goal of life is to (...) fulfill one's inborn capacities and potentialities.

Peer comment(s):

neutral Barend van Zadelhoff : Als je even door zoekt vind je genoeg recente voorbeelden (1 voorbeeld: http://edge.org/response-detail/11017). En waarom ook niet, het is alles wat je met je geboorte hebt meegekregen/alles waarmee je bij je geboorte bent toegerust.
22 hrs
Hmm.
agree Tina Vonhof (X) : By far the best option in my opinion.
2 days 3 hrs
Thanks, Tina!
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