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Blue Board removal for defaulting companies
Initiator des Themas: potra
potra
potra
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Mar 25, 2009

I think that companies listed under the Proz.com blue board should be removed when repeatedly failing to pay translators.
Is there any kind of disciplinary measure or membership cancellation penalty in the Proz.com statute?
 
David Russi
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That makes little sense Mar 25, 2009

They need to remain, and translators need to post negative entries. If you remove them, you are actually doing them a favor.
 
Rebekka Groß (X)
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You need to report them Mar 25, 2009

If a company is a notorious non-payer you and others need to make a negative BlueBoard entry. If there are enough such entries - it doesn't take many but more than one - they will be banned from posting jobs on ProZ.com and a notice to that extent is added to their Blueboard entry. I'm not sure I'm allowed to give the URL for a banned company here so I won't but I know of one or two of them.

Removing their entries altogether is counterproductive as David has already pointed out.
 
Özden Arıkan
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BB Mar 25, 2009

Blue Board is not a board to honor outsourcers. Its purpose is to provide information to translators. Removing entries would mean loss of information.

And, by the way, this is not off topic at all. Should have been posted as an on topic thread elsewhere, most probably under the Proz.com Job Systems forum.

[Adding later to thank to whoever has done the correction.]

[Edited at 2009-03-26 13:22 GMT]
 
Jennifer Forbes
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In stillem Gedenken
Please don't remove them! Mar 26, 2009

David Russi wrote:

They need to remain, and translators need to post negative entries. If you remove them, you are actually doing them a favor.


I absolutely agree. Bad payers' records must remain for all to see. It's one of the best warnings available to us freelancers, but some notorious rotters are banned from posting jobs on Proz.
Kind regards,
Jenny
 
Nigel Greenwood (X)
Nigel Greenwood (X)  Identity Verified
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PLEASE DO NOT REMOVE BAD PAYER'S HISTORY Mar 26, 2009

The whole idea of BB is that we can assess an outsourcer, (to a certain degree) BEFORE taking on 'risky' jobs. Who on earth would want that information removed from our website?
Nigel.
 
Henry Dotterer
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There is a policy for banning non-paying companies from using ProZ.com Mar 26, 2009

potra wrote:

I think that companies listed under the Proz.com blue board should be removed when repeatedly failing to pay translators.
Is there any kind of disciplinary measure or membership cancellation penalty in the Proz.com statute?

I'm assuming you mean that a company that has had multiple reports of non-payment should not be allowed to use the site to find translators. Yes, that is the policy. An attempt is made to verify that the non-payment reports are current, however. Often they are out of date. If you know of a certain company that you think should be barred from using the site, please submit a support ticket.

http://www.proz.com/support
 
Silvia Puit V�gelin
Silvia Puit V�gelin
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and other types of companies? Mar 26, 2009

What about companies (mainly agencies) who offer jobs for the lowest price possible? (not an acceptable price either). If we really want to have a fair market, we should ban this kind of companies from proz.
Example of today: a Spanish company searches for interpreters and pays them 60€ per hour. I have seen worse (in proz.com also), but normally, as the AIIC rules state, one should pay intepreters per day (about 600€ per day, more or less, and depending on the country in Europe), gene... See more
What about companies (mainly agencies) who offer jobs for the lowest price possible? (not an acceptable price either). If we really want to have a fair market, we should ban this kind of companies from proz.
Example of today: a Spanish company searches for interpreters and pays them 60€ per hour. I have seen worse (in proz.com also), but normally, as the AIIC rules state, one should pay intepreters per day (about 600€ per day, more or less, and depending on the country in Europe), generally not accepting half day rates.
Hope someone caan help me with this one!
Best regards! ▲ Collapse
 
potra
potra
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Defaulting companies Mar 26, 2009

Thanks to you all for the feedback. On second thoughts, I agree that a record of company misconduct should remain on the Proz BlueBoard for everyone to see.
I do think that Proz should block the company account for future bidding, so that they may not contact translators through the site.
 
Ralf Lemster
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Termination Policy Mar 26, 2009

Hi 'potra',
I'm not sure if you read Henry's response.


I do think that Proz should block the company account for future bidding, so that they may not contact translators through the site.

That is precisely what the Termination Policy is about.

Best regards,
Ralf
 
potra
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Defaulting companies Mar 26, 2009

Yes Ralf, I did read Henry's response, I will give the company another month then I will proceed with a support ticket.
Thank you Henry for your response.
 
Yolanda Broad
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Please use Blue Board for reporting experience with outsourcers Mar 26, 2009

The Blue Board should be used for reporting on your experience with an outsourcer, whether the experience was good or bad. In fact, in order to trigger an outsourcer warning under the Termination policy, at least 2 reports of non-payment need to be received via the Blue Board record. Submitting a Support request, in such cases, will only indirectly have the same effect.
 
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