Mar 10, 2011 08:41
13 yrs ago
Deutsch term
Träger
Deutsch > Englisch
Kunst/Literatur
Kunst, Kunsthandwerk, Malerei
art history
This phrase appears in a presentation on a Renaissance painter:
"Die Ansicht, Mantegna habe sich selbst konterfeit, teile ich zwar nicht, aber der Mann, den ich als Porträtierten vorschlage, eignet sich ebenfalls als *Träger eines Metadiskurse*."
Basis for a metadiscourse?
Starting point for a metadiscourse?
Hmm ...
"Die Ansicht, Mantegna habe sich selbst konterfeit, teile ich zwar nicht, aber der Mann, den ich als Porträtierten vorschlage, eignet sich ebenfalls als *Träger eines Metadiskurse*."
Basis for a metadiscourse?
Starting point for a metadiscourse?
Hmm ...
Proposed translations
(Englisch)
| 4 +9 | vehicle / focus |
Helen Shiner
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| 3 +1 | vessel |
Aisha Prigan (X)
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| 2 | the main character/role in a metadiscourse |
Andreja Ciković
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Change log
Mar 10, 2011 09:09: Ingo Dierkschnieder changed "Term asked" from "Träger (eines Diskurses)" to "Träger"
Proposed translations
+9
1 Stunde
Helen Shiner
Vereinigtes Königreich
Vereinigtes Königreich
Native in Englisch
Specializes in field
Vereinigtes Königreich
Arts/Academic translator - Art historian
Native in: Englisch
Works in: Deutsch > Englisch, Französisch > Englisch
Related KudoZ points
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279
Selected
vehicle / focus
A couple of suggestions.
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Note added at 7 days (2011-03-17 11:25:48 GMT) Post-grading
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Thanks, Bill, glad it helped.
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Note added at 7 days (2011-03-17 11:25:48 GMT) Post-grading
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Thanks, Bill, glad it helped.
Note from asker:
| Yes, I like 'vehicle' very much. Thank you Helen. |
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Jim Tucker (X)
: or subject
6 Min.
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Thanks, Jim, yes, subject would work well, too.
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| agree |
Nicola Wood
: agree with these and Jim's subject
16 Min.
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Thanks, Nicola
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| agree |
franglish
21 Min.
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Thanks, franglish
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| agree |
mill2
1 Stunde
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Thanks, mill
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| agree |
Lonnie Legg
: w.Jim.
2 Stunden
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Thanks, Lonnie, though I prefer vehicle myself!
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| agree |
Francesca Gatenby
: Vehicle works nicely here - and is part of art crit discourse
2 Stunden
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Thanks, Francesca - exactly.
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| agree |
Derek Gill Franßen
5 Stunden
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Thanks, Derek
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Stephen Reader
: Was about to second yours anyway, with Jim's till saw he'd put it there. And - pretext, occasion? But only as additional options (e.g. if wanting to *vary* on the voc. of art-h. discourse! ; - ) ) , your 2 strike me as ideal.
23 Stunden
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Hi Stephen, many thanks - good ideas if the term is used repeatedly.
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| agree |
Ramey Rieger (X)
: is my agree superfluous or superfluous? nonetheless...
2 Tage 6 Stunden
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Thanks, Ramey - gratefully received!
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Yes, vehicle, of course. Why didn't I think of it? Thank you Helen."
30 Min.
Andreja Ciković
Kroatien
Kroatien
Works in field
Kroatien
Native Croatian for IT and MED
Native in: Kroatisch 
Works in: Englisch > Kroatisch, Deutsch > Kroatisch, Serbisch > Englisch, and 4 more.
Deutsch term (edited):
Träger (eines Diskurses)
the main character/role in a metadiscourse
As this is Art, maybe the translation for "Träger" doesn't have to be literal - explore it in a broader sense.
Peer comment(s):
| neutral |
Stephen Reader
: Agree with your reasoning, but not so sure about the solution, since then, the debate would tend to be *about* the figure. He may 'just' be a catalyst. Oh- catalyst could be another option.
1 Tag 5 Min.
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+1
1 Stunde
vessel
A variation on Helen's suggestion (vehicle). Depending on the overall style of the text, "vessel" might be too flowery - or it might fit.
Example sentence:
"The current exhibition of works by Andrea Geyer at Galerie Hohenlohe brings together her recent projects that transform the photographic genres of landscape and cityscape into vessels of discourse."
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