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Oct 26, 2008 10:01
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Deutsch term
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i.A.
Non-PRO
Deutsch > Englisch
Wirtschaft/Finanzwesen
Wirtschaft/Handel (allgemein)
Secretarial
Dear colleagues,
During a lesson a student asked me how to translate i.A., which stands for 'im Auftrag'. It is typically written next to a person's name to indicate that they are not liable for what is contained in the document. Rather, they are doing the work on behalf of a company or boss. Please be aware that this is not power of attorney, but rather a legal issue. So it is written on almost every letter, e-mail, or document.
Someone mentioned that this would be translated as p.p. in South Africa, but I do not think that British English or American English has an equivalent. However, I could be mistaken. I would appreciate your feedback, and I apologize if this issue has already been addressed elsewhere.
Thanks in advance for your kind attention.
Regards,
Renée
During a lesson a student asked me how to translate i.A., which stands for 'im Auftrag'. It is typically written next to a person's name to indicate that they are not liable for what is contained in the document. Rather, they are doing the work on behalf of a company or boss. Please be aware that this is not power of attorney, but rather a legal issue. So it is written on almost every letter, e-mail, or document.
Someone mentioned that this would be translated as p.p. in South Africa, but I do not think that British English or American English has an equivalent. However, I could be mistaken. I would appreciate your feedback, and I apologize if this issue has already been addressed elsewhere.
Thanks in advance for your kind attention.
Regards,
Renée
Proposed translations
(Englisch)
| 4 +8 | pp (also: p.p.) |
Thomas Pfann
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Oct 28, 2008 08:51: Thomas Pfann Created KOG entry
Proposed translations
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Thomas Pfann
Vereinigtes Königreich
Vereinigtes Königreich
Native in Deutsch
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Vereinigtes Königreich
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pp (also: p.p.)
In British usage it is "pp" (or "p.p.") as well (short for "per procurationem")
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Note added at 18 mins (2008-10-26 10:20:14 GMT)
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The Oxford Dictionary of English says about the usage:
"The traditional way to use pp when signing a letter on someone else's behalf is to place pp before one's own name rather than before the name of the other person. This is because the original Latin phrase 'per procurationem' means 'through the agency of'.
However, pp is now often taken to mean 'on behalf of' and is placed before the name of the person who has not signed, and this has become standard practice in many offices."
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Note added at 20 mins (2008-10-26 10:22:34 GMT)
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Richtig wäre es in der Praxis also so:
pp secretary's signature [handwritten]
director's name [printed]
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Note added at 18 mins (2008-10-26 10:20:14 GMT)
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The Oxford Dictionary of English says about the usage:
"The traditional way to use pp when signing a letter on someone else's behalf is to place pp before one's own name rather than before the name of the other person. This is because the original Latin phrase 'per procurationem' means 'through the agency of'.
However, pp is now often taken to mean 'on behalf of' and is placed before the name of the person who has not signed, and this has become standard practice in many offices."
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Note added at 20 mins (2008-10-26 10:22:34 GMT)
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Richtig wäre es in der Praxis also so:
pp secretary's signature [handwritten]
director's name [printed]
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Comment: "Thank you so much for your very helpful answer! I also liked the fact that you provided the way it would be done in practice. Just to clarify, I had a little question in the discussion section. If you could take a look, I'd be very appreciative. Thank you so much.
Regards,
Renée"
Reference comments
15 Min.
Reference:
i.A. is p.p. and not just in Zuid Afrika
(standard) German dico translates i.A. as p.p.
per procura (p.p.) Also rendered per procurationem. Used to indicate that a person is signing a document on behalf of another person. Correctly placed before the name of the person signing, but often placed before the name of the person on whose behalf the document is signed, sometimes through incorrect translation of the alternative abbreviation per pro. as "for and on behalf of".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Per_annum#P
per procura (p.p.) Also rendered per procurationem. Used to indicate that a person is signing a document on behalf of another person. Correctly placed before the name of the person signing, but often placed before the name of the person on whose behalf the document is signed, sometimes through incorrect translation of the alternative abbreviation per pro. as "for and on behalf of".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Per_annum#P
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