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| Clarification | Jul 20, 2009 |
Jocelyne S wrote:
Charlie Bavington wrote:
Reading through this thread, my immediate thought was that someone has managed to acquire a backup tape/disk/storage medium from a couple of years ago. But who knows?
(And yes, I am on there too, with a bare minimum of info.)
The information on OutSourcingRoom.com cannot be that old as I changed my Proz.com user name only a couple of months ago from "JS" to "Jocelyne S" and it is the latter which appears on OutSourcingRoom.com.
I did not mean to imply that any such mechanism was their sole means of acquiring data. Merely that it was a possible explanation for how they could possibly have acquired a certain amount of data which is no longer actively relevant for the individuals to which it relates. You are reporting that the data for you must be recent; others are reporting that the data for them dates back years in some cases.
There are many possible explanations, and I would well imagine that they haven't relied on a single source.
But if I were investigating this, I would be taking a long, hard look at my disaster recovery/business continuity service provider.
| | | | | Suggest requesting removal of your profile | Jul 20, 2009 |
Charlie Bavington wrote:
ScottishWildCat wrote:
Could it be possible to retrieve outdated personal information by using a wayback machine?
Reading through this thread, my immediate thought was that someone has managed to acquire a backup tape/disk/storage medium from a couple of years ago. But who knows?
(And yes, I am on there too, with a bare minimum of info.)
The wayback machine is not a bad theory. Either something like that, or else they have been crawling over time (perhaps getting ready for their launch?) The idea that some backup data was accessed doesn't hold up because among the data that people are reporting to be shown on the site is data that was once public on the web, but which is not saved even in our backups.
For our part, we are attempting to get the content that was crawled from the public areas of ProZ.com off of that site. There is no guarantee that our efforts will be successful. Therefore, we are also requesting that Google (and possibly others) not index the areas of that site that have been published without permission.
If you are among those affected, my advice would be to request removal of your personal data from the site directly. Obviously they have ethical issues, so there is the risk that they would add your email address to the data they already have from you, but I don't see much benefit for them in doing that. It takes work to do that sort of thing and I don't see what they would gain.
Realistically, I don't expect an unprofessional organization like this to be very reliable in responding to removal requests. That said, neither do I expect them to last very long.
| | | | | Lawyers and email addresses | Jul 20, 2009 |
Henry D wrote:
For our part, we are attempting to get the content that was crawled from the public areas of ProZ.com off of that site. There is no guarantee that our efforts will be successful. Therefore, we are also requesting that Google (and possibly others) not index the areas of that site that have been published without permission.
Although you don't say so, I assume you have also instructed your lawyer to write a strongly worded letter to the domain host? It's done the trick a few times for my in-house company when our whole site has been copied, even though the culprits have usually been operating from China. You're best off getting this missive translated before faxing it over. You shouldn't have too much trouble finding a translator...
If you are among those affected, my advice would be to request removal of your personal data from the site directly. Obviously they have ethical issues, so there is the risk that they would add your email address to the data they already have from you, but I don't see much benefit for them in doing that. It takes work to do that sort of thing and I don't see what they would gain.
I'd strongly advice against usually your normal email address to contact this outfit. They might not be interested in it, but I wouldn't be surprised if they have friends who deal in this kind of information. Use a pretend one just to be able to send via the site's form or an old crap address if you have one. I'll be using a seriously spammed old gmail address I have just to see if I get a response.
| | | | | Removal of profile may be problematic | Jul 20, 2009 |
I would ask for removal of my profile, but I don't know how to prove that the profile is about me: it only lists my Proz id - which is not publicly visible here, but it is also my skype ID, so they must have got it from here - and my city and country. My name isn't there nor any other information.
Is there anybody in this same situation and how did you do about that?
Therefore, I think that for some of us, only an official request from Proz would help.
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| Requesting removal doesn't really work | Jul 21, 2009 |
At least it did not work in my case. I have sent an email on Saturday requesting that they remove my profile. I did make it a point that I knew they had it from proz.com since that is the only place I had used that login name and those details, and there was no reply from them.
Actually the only reply I had so far was from the proz.com team, but the profiles are still there.
| | | | | Request to those affected | Jul 21, 2009 |
Hi folks,
As part of what we are sending, we would like maybe 5 - 10 examples of violations from those affected. To those of you who have found your data displayed on outsourcingroom.com without your permission, if you don't mind, please take a minute to send an email to drew - at - proz.com and including a link to your proz.com profile, a link to the profile that has been generated for you at outsourcingroom.com, and a line stating that this happened without your permission.
... See more Hi folks,
As part of what we are sending, we would like maybe 5 - 10 examples of violations from those affected. To those of you who have found your data displayed on outsourcingroom.com without your permission, if you don't mind, please take a minute to send an email to drew - at - proz.com and including a link to your proz.com profile, a link to the profile that has been generated for you at outsourcingroom.com, and a line stating that this happened without your permission.
I'll post again when we have enough. Thanks in advance.
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| | | | | 2 emails, nothing done so far | Jul 21, 2009 |
My profile is in that website too. I sent them an email last Sunday (yesterday) demanding them to remove my profile. Nothing. Today I've sent them another email, even more menacing, in which I threatened that if they don't cancel my profile within 48 hrs I'm gonna report them to the Interpol (through the link provided by one of the colleagues here in this forum). In the meanwhile I hope that the Proz staff will take strong measures to duly report the privacy infringements operated by that websi... See more My profile is in that website too. I sent them an email last Sunday (yesterday) demanding them to remove my profile. Nothing. Today I've sent them another email, even more menacing, in which I threatened that if they don't cancel my profile within 48 hrs I'm gonna report them to the Interpol (through the link provided by one of the colleagues here in this forum). In the meanwhile I hope that the Proz staff will take strong measures to duly report the privacy infringements operated by that website (or by Elance) so that they can shut the website or remove the profiles that have been hacked (basically all profiles).
The CEO of the website has released a statement in which he affirms:
"I want to stress that any user can sign up and post any information in accordance with the provision of the Terms and Conditions posted on OutsourcingRoom.com. OutsourcingRoom is not our main business and we do not promote this service directly. We work with partner sites and use services of promotional companies that bring clients to our site.
Unfortunately we cannot check all information placed on our site. But due to the fact that elance claims that the accessed by hackers information appeared on OutsuorcingRoom we are open to make investigation and remove any account that was not asked to be registered. If you choose to remove your OutsourcingRoom account from our site, you can easily do it from your profile.
For some obscure reason elance was hit by security breach. The elance owners have only themselves to blame. We consider any blames from them inappropriate and inconsistent. We understand elance owners’ frustration at realizing that their security is obviously lacking. It must be tough times for them as many elance customers are doubtful if there is a reason to keep their elance profiles. Anyway I assume that elance owners are the only responsible people for what happened, as this is very unprofessional to have unprotected pages on such a site".
Well, let's see if they really remove any profile that was not asked to be registered.... ▲ Collapse
| | | | Laurent KRAULAND (X) 
Frankreich
Local time: 05:31
Französisch > Deutsch
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| Absurd logic | Jul 21, 2009 |
Liliana Roman-Hamilton wrote:
"Unfortunately we cannot check all information placed on our site. But due to the fact that elance claims that the accessed by hackers information appeared on OutsuorcingRoom we are open to make investigation and remove any account that was not asked to be registered. If you choose to remove your OutsourcingRoom account from our site, you can easily do it from your profile.
For some obscure reason elance was hit by security breach. The elance owners have only themselves to blame."
Rather an absurd logic, I would say: they cannot take any responsibility for non-solicited registrations on a site they own, but Elance have only themselves to blame when information is hacked from them?
OSR, at least, should know what happens with their site: it is their responsibility, that's why webmasters, web developers, site owners and the like exist!
I would write to the registrar and tell them what is happening, contact information is available here:
http://www.networksolutions.com/whois-search/outsourcingroom.com
and, as I said before, contact the ICPD through this form:
http://www.interpol.int/public/mail/mail3.asp?id=info
as the practices of this site owner and their denials smell of abuse* (ID theft, no matter for which purposes it was made). This website, IMHO, must be shut down/disabled in some way!
Laurent K.
*I would have written down a more explicit term, but am afraid it would not have been tolerated.
[Edited at 2009-07-21 08:12 GMT]
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avsie (X)
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I've reported them to Interpol using your link, Laurent. I hope many of us will do the same.
Henry, I've also sent an e-mail to Drew with the information requested.
I understand that information I wish to publish might be stolen and re-published elsewhere. But I cannot accept that 'supposedly' hidden information ends up it someone else's hands without my consent.
| | | | Laurent KRAULAND (X)
Frankreich
Local time: 05:31
Französisch > Deutsch
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I have written to the ISP and given them the link to this thread.
Laurent K.
| | | | Oliver Walter
Vereinigtes Königreich
Local time: 04:31
Deutsch > Englisch
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| 1. I've emailed Drew. 2. suggestions | Jul 21, 2009 |
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On reading this thread, I had a look at outsourcingroom.com (never heard of it before) and there is something there about me, with my proz login name, real name, city of residence, and that's about all.
The information is probably from proz: I use the same login name at Yahoo (but not the same password), but Yahoo does not know my city of residence.
I've responded to Henry's request by sending an email to Drew with the information he asked for.
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... See more 1.
On reading this thread, I had a look at outsourcingroom.com (never heard of it before) and there is something there about me, with my proz login name, real name, city of residence, and that's about all.
The information is probably from proz: I use the same login name at Yahoo (but not the same password), but Yahoo does not know my city of residence.
I've responded to Henry's request by sending an email to Drew with the information he asked for.
2.
It occurs to me that some (but not all) illegitimate information gathering from our profiles by software robots could be prevented by 2 suggested amendments, one of which has already been mentioned:
(a) have a text of one or two words or numbers that are a little distorted, and which a human has to type into a box before some of the information can be seen;
(b) present some of the information not as searchable text but as a graphics image. If this is done there would need to be an option to select the size of text in this image.
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| | | | Ines Burrell
Vereinigtes Königreich
Local time: 04:31
Mitglied (2004)
Englisch > Lettisch
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| Cannot find the profile | Jul 21, 2009 |
I would also like to send Drew info about my 'profile' but I cannot find it. I only came accross it once and every single time I have searched it before or after I cannot find it. It does come up on Google though but when you click the link there is only their homepage. I noticed a strange thing about their search function. When I searched the site for Ines Burrell, nothing came up, when I searched for Burrell, four pages of different Burrells came up, however, you cannot click to the other page... See more I would also like to send Drew info about my 'profile' but I cannot find it. I only came accross it once and every single time I have searched it before or after I cannot find it. It does come up on Google though but when you click the link there is only their homepage. I noticed a strange thing about their search function. When I searched the site for Ines Burrell, nothing came up, when I searched for Burrell, four pages of different Burrells came up, however, you cannot click to the other pages, only first page can be viewed. When I used search function with other full Burrells names (i.e. there is Ben and Benji on the very top of the list) the search comes back blank as well even though they are there, on the first page of all listed Burrells. So it seems you cannot use full name as search criteria and cannot open second, third etc. pages.
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Oliver Walter
Vereinigtes Königreich
Local time: 04:31
Deutsch > Englisch
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Burrell wrote:
I would also like to send Drew info about my 'profile' but I cannot find it.
Your profile is here (I think the only information you need to send is the following line):
http://www.proz.com/profile/38491
Edit: sorry, you must have meant your "profile" at outsourcingroom.com, not the one at proz.
Did you mean this one? :
http://www.outsourcingroom.com/en/users/profile/Burrell.cbsx
I found it by searching for "burrell" in the search bar of www.outsourcingroom.com
Also: you can see the other pages: you need to click on one of the page numbers at the bottom of the current page, and then wait for a few seconds, even if nothing seems to happen at first.
Oliver
[Edited at 2009-07-21 14:04 GMT]
| | | | Ines Burrell
Vereinigtes Königreich
Local time: 04:31
Mitglied (2004)
Englisch > Lettisch
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| Thanks a lot Oliver! | Jul 21, 2009 |
Cheers! Now I can send my info to Drew.
Ines
| | | | | How to find your profile there - Henry, this seems to affect everybody | Jul 21, 2009 |
It seems to me they used a rather simple way of creating the URLs to the profile pages. They incorporated the login ID into the URL itself.
Therefore, you can find your profile page by using the following link, where you replace YYY with your user ID that you use to login here.
http://www.outsourcingroom.com/en/users/profile/YYY.cbsx
It is disturbin... See more It seems to me they used a rather simple way of creating the URLs to the profile pages. They incorporated the login ID into the URL itself.
Therefore, you can find your profile page by using the following link, where you replace YYY with your user ID that you use to login here.
http://www.outsourcingroom.com/en/users/profile/YYY.cbsx
It is disturbing that they got hold of the user IDs that are in many cases not public.
(By the way, there are 5 profiles for Henry, one for Patrick and one for Cathy, too.)
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