Feb 8, 2022 03:27
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Deutsch term
objektivierbar
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Befund, accident injuries:
"Manifeste Paresen sind nicht objektivierter."
I know what it means: objektivierbar=subjektunabhängig wiederholbar
But I was wondering whether I can use "reproducible" here: "Manifest palsies are not reproducible"? Does this make sense?
Any better ideas (it's 4 AM here and I am proving to be an OCD-perfectionist...between you and me, I could just go with "objectifiable" and call it a night...hehe).
But perhaps this entry will help others in the future and build our glossary, so I hope that we will ointly come up with an elegant solution to this. After all, translation is art.
THANKS
"Manifeste Paresen sind nicht objektivierter."
I know what it means: objektivierbar=subjektunabhängig wiederholbar
But I was wondering whether I can use "reproducible" here: "Manifest palsies are not reproducible"? Does this make sense?
Any better ideas (it's 4 AM here and I am proving to be an OCD-perfectionist...between you and me, I could just go with "objectifiable" and call it a night...hehe).
But perhaps this entry will help others in the future and build our glossary, so I hope that we will ointly come up with an elegant solution to this. After all, translation is art.
THANKS
Proposed translations
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Change log
Feb 8, 2022 08:07: Murad AWAD changed "Term asked" from "obkektivierbar" to "objektivierbar"
Proposed translations
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Steffen Walter
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Deutsch term (edited):
nicht objektivierbar
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not supported by objective evidence // not demonstrated/proven objectively
This is what springs to mind as a possible paraphrase.
See, for instance,
https://meteor.aihw.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/356777
"Use this code where the history is not supported by objective evidence."
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fneur.2021.6566...
"Although the alleged slowness of movement was not supported by objective evidence, it may imply a latent parkinsonian symptom."
https://www.internationaljournalofcardiology.com/article/S01...
"However, absence of atherosclerosis in JUPITER was based on the subjects' history and not proven objectively."
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no objectively verifiable signs and symptoms of ...
See, for instance,
https://meteor.aihw.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/356777
"Use this code where the history is not supported by objective evidence."
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fneur.2021.6566...
"Although the alleged slowness of movement was not supported by objective evidence, it may imply a latent parkinsonian symptom."
https://www.internationaljournalofcardiology.com/article/S01...
"However, absence of atherosclerosis in JUPITER was based on the subjects' history and not proven objectively."
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Note added at 4 hrs (2022-02-08 08:21:34 GMT)
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no objectively verifiable signs and symptoms of ...
Peer comment(s):
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Barbara Schmidt, M.A. (X)
: I'm not entirely sure that this is what's meant here.
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See my comment on your answer.
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Anne Schulz
: That's how I read it as well - pt. possibly complains of weakness and inability to use muscles/limbs, but 'objective' tests like EMG, ENoG don't confirm any abnormalities.
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Yes, that's exactly what I mean.
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uyuni
: with 'verifiable' only...'Objectively verifiable' seems like a tautology to me.
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True, I agree.
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Comment: "Thanks, Steffen, I went with this idea."
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Barbara Schmidt, M.A. (X)
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reproducible (in other patients)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reproducibility
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5834126/
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As far as 'evidence' is concerned, Altmayer says that
Evidence refers to "that which is apparently unquestionable, that which is recognisable by direct observation or insight".
https://www.altmeyers.org/en/internal-medicine/evidence-base...
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5834126/
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Note added at 5 Stunden (2022-02-08 09:02:38 GMT)
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As far as 'evidence' is concerned, Altmayer says that
Evidence refers to "that which is apparently unquestionable, that which is recognisable by direct observation or insight".
https://www.altmeyers.org/en/internal-medicine/evidence-base...
Peer comment(s):
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Steffen Walter
: Not sure at all because Lirka's context indicates findings in a single patient ("Befund, accident injuries"). There's no comparison/reproducibility involved here, in my view.
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subjective / subjectively confirmed
for some reason sometimes in German objektiverter means subjective. I think this is one of those cases. In other words, because it is manifest, it is not subjective.
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no verifiable (clinical) signs of pareses/paresis
Keep ist short and simple...
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Note added at 9 Stunden (2022-02-08 13:24:53 GMT)
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- 1 's', sorry!
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Note added at 9 Stunden (2022-02-08 13:24:53 GMT)
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- 1 's', sorry!
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Steffen Walter
: Similar to my added note ;-)
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Thanks Steffen! I solemnly swear that I did not realize your note in addition to your previous reply,
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objectively identifiable (way)
objektivierbar=subjektunabhängig wiederholbar : repeatable or reproducible in an objectively identifiable and subject-independent (-unrelated) way.
Manifeste Paresen sind nicht objektivierter : ....are not identifiable any more objectively... (assuming this is the comparative form).
Manifeste Paresen sind nicht objektivierter : ....are not identifiable any more objectively... (assuming this is the comparative form).
Example sentence:
Which term is used to describe an objectively identifiable aberration of the disease? A. Syndrome B. Symptom C. Sign D. Stage.
Reference:
http://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=objectively+identifiable+aberration+of+the+disease
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cannot be predictably reproduced
My take
Discussion
It's about the results being repeated with other patients.