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Alice Cwern
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jyuan_us
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pkchan wrote:
歡迎royeegg及Lily Pan兩位。有意把這線翻到第一頁，5年後，面目雖不是全非，但好幾個舊人已不再見了。
Shance走掉不奇怪，她被气疯了。可是那个加拿大的女人突然就不见了，而且坚决没回来，也不知怎么了。也就咱红红偶尔还探探头儿。还有那个大师，不知他现在怎样，靠什么生活啊？！
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pkchan 
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此地不留人，自有留人處。其中與數位仍有用電郵保持聯繫，但是不多，大概是說聲問候。我是因他們而來的，一說已是4年多了。Betty 的情況不清楚，大抵他們是有看這網站的東西的。曾經問過其中的一位，說看得興高采烈時，會不會動容手癢，她說開始時有，現在已經沒有了。不過老實說，自從他們離開後，那會有過“興高采烈”的討論呢。對他們是會是不愉快的，但對這網站來說，就是一個重大的損失。有時候，一聲溫馨的提示，就可以把討論降溫，何必要操刀弄權威呢。風光不再，美景難常。回想起這些人與事，不是值得在位的人想一想嗎？
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wherestip
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| Forum Participation | Dec 5, 2010 |
http://www.proz.com/post/477908#477908
IMHO the strong international-wide cast and talent we have in this forum should certainly be viewed as an asset to ProZ.com.
Expressed the same sentiment way back when. But my guess people are busy and want to get on with their own lives. IMO, It also takes quite a bit of interest and commitment to stay active in a professional workplace community such as ProZ.com.
Anyway, welcome to the forum ... to those past and present.
[Edited at 2010-12-05 17:31 GMT]
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ysun
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| What kind of "大师"? | Dec 5, 2010 |
jyuan_us wrote:
还有那个大师，不知他现在怎样，靠什么生活啊？！
If someone is truly a master translator, he shouldn’t have any problems to make ends meet.
[Edited at 2010-12-05 17:52 GMT]
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Lifu Wang
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ysun
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pkchan wrote:
是有點唏噓
此地不留人，自有留人處。其中與數位仍有用電郵保持聯繫，但是不多，大概是說聲問候。我是因他們而來的，一說已是4年多了。Betty 的情況不清楚，大抵他們是有看這網站的東西的。曾經問過其中的一位，說看得興高采烈時，會不會動容手癢，她說開始時有，現在已經沒有了。不過老實說，自從他們離開後，那會有過“興高采烈”的討論呢。對他們是會是不愉快的，但對這網站來說，就是一個重大的損失。有時候，一聲溫馨的提示，就可以把討論降溫，何必要操刀弄權威呢。風光不再，美景難常。回想起這些人與事，不是值得在位的人想一想嗎？
“對這網站來說，就是一個重大的損失”？倒是看不出。地球仍然在轉動。ProZ.com 仍然在運作。莫唏噓。倒不如還是唱歌吧！直把論壇作歌壇。
令閣下以及您的老朋友們“興高采烈”的討論是指哪些呢？難道是指如下這類討論？
http://www.proz.com/forum/chinese/101695-2008_olympic_games_in_beijing-page2.html
若這類討論盛行的話，說不定此論壇乃至整個 ProZ.com 將會變得像目前的 KudoZ 一樣“和諧”。恐怕新來的朋友們尤其是中國大陸的朋友們對這類討論不會很感興趣吧？
[Edited at 2010-12-07 16:03 GMT]
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Hi, I am Casey, from Fuzhou, Fujian, Nice to meet you here.
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wherestip
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ysun wrote:
若這類討論盛行的話，說不定此論壇乃至整個 ProZ.com 將會變得像目前的 KudoZ 一樣“和諧”。恐怕新來的朋友們尤其是中國大陸的朋友們對這類討論不會很感興趣吧？
I agree. There has to be some kind of framework even with free speech. Illegally publicizing U.S. classified documents is a good case in point of totally crossing the line.
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Weedy Tan
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wherestip wrote:
ysun wrote:
若這類討論盛行的話，說不定此論壇乃至整個 ProZ.com 將會變得像目前的 KudoZ 一樣“和諧”。恐怕新來的朋友們尤其是中國大陸的朋友們對這類討論不會很感興趣吧？
I agree. There has to be some kind of framework even with free speech. Illegally publicizing U.S. classified documents is a good case in point of totally crossing the line.
Are new now talking of WiliLeaks?
Is the WikiLeaks website available in China? And maybe we can hear the opinions of others on how they look at these leakages of classified documents?
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wherestip
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CNCwt wrote:
Are new now talking of WiliLeaks?
Is the WikiLeaks website available in China? And maybe we can hear the opinions of others on how they look at these leakages of classified documents?
No, I'm talking about law and order. The illegal possession and publication of U.S. secret documents is just an extreme example of criminal activity shrouded under the pretense of freedom of speech.
Those who believe otherwise are truly misguided and have a lot to learn ... Sorry, but that's as much as I'd like to say about this.
[Edited at 2010-12-08 04:36 GMT]
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QUOI
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| An extreme example of criminal activity? | Dec 8, 2010 |
From Bloomberg:
www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-12-01/wikileaks-founder-lurks-beyond-grip-of-u-s-law-commentary-by-ann-woolner.html
Title: WikiLeaks Founder Lurks Beyond Reach of U.S. LawFrom Bloomberg:
www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-12-01/wikileaks-founder-lurks-beyond-grip-of-u-s-law-commentary-by-ann-woolner.html
Title: WikiLeaks Founder Lurks Beyond Reach of U.S. Law
[Extract]
But before you call someone a criminal, you have to have a law that you can say he broke. Holder [US attorney general] is going to have a hard time doing that with Assange.
If the attorney general were confident, he wouldn’t have answered a reporter’s question about difficulties in prosecuting Assange this way:
“To the extent there are gaps in the laws, we will move to close those gaps.”
This is essentially an acknowledgement of a hole in the law. And even if prosecutors can leap across that, they’d then face a really big hurdle in the form of the First Amendment.
From Wall Street Journal:
blogs.wsj.com/law/2010/07/28/first-amendment-guru-floyd-abrams-on-the-wikileaks-situation/
Title: First Amendment Guru Floyd Abrams on the WikiLeaks Situation
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The bottom line, some First Amendment experts informed us: the government certainly had the right to go after and punish the person within the military who leaked the information. But logistical and legal concerns dictate that civil or criminal charges against WikiLeaks or any of the three publications that published the information are probably not gonna come.
On whether the government might be able to shut down WikiLeaks:
We can have criminal sanctions for people who leak the information, if they can find out . . . who the leaker is, but in terms of the publisher — the disseminator –to the public, absent a situation where you’re talking about atomic weapons or secret secrets where the publication will eminently threaten the country or its people, I don’t see much, and I don’t think there should be much in the law that really provides remedies to stop publication, and the technology makes it all but impossible anyway.
PS: This post and some preceding ones probably should not be posted in this thread. Moderator please feel free to move my post to where you see fit.
wherestip wrote:
No, I'm talking about law and order. The illegal possession and publication of U.S. secret documents is just an extreme example of criminal activity shrouded under the pretense of freedom of speech.
Those who believe otherwise are truly misguided and have a lot to learn ... that's all I'd like to say about this.
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wherestip
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| A few more words | Dec 8, 2010 |
Antipodean,
We'll see, won't we. IMO, skirting the law doesn't make a criminal innocent.
O.J. Simpson was able to get off scot-free, but we all know he was guilty. Eventually he got what he deserved.
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QUOI
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| Not comparable | Dec 8, 2010 |
OJ was charged (with murder) according to law and then got off in the court of law
On Wikileak, we need to draw a line between something which appears to be morally wrong and an act which is illegal.
PS: This post and some preceding ones probably should not be posted in this thread. Moderator please feel free to move my posts to where you see fit.
wherestip wrote:
Antipodean,
We'll see, won't we. IMO, skirting the law doesn't make a criminal innocent.
O.J. Simpson was able to get off scot-free, but we all know he was guilty. Eventually he got what he deserved.
[Edited at 2010-12-08 06:38 GMT]
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wherestip
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Antipodean wrote:
On Wikileak, we need to draw a line between something which appears to be morally wrong and an act which is illegal.
Touché. Morally wrong or the appearance thereof is good enough for me. 
However, criminal or not, such activity is definitely reprehensible.
[Edited at 2010-12-09 00:02 GMT]
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