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Maria Karra 
Vereinigte Staaten
Local time: 19:42
Mitglied (2000)
Griechisch > Englisch
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| in favor of restrictions | Sep 26, 2005 |
Daniela Zambrini wrote:
Fuad Yahya wrote:
All people who are not professional linguists but who use KudoZ as entertainment are abusers of the site. They need to find a permissive, unabashedly nonprofessional chat room where they can kill the time they need to kill and have the human interaction they lack in their lives. That is why I suggested nonProZ.com for such tormented souls.
Pardon my slightly off-topic reaction, Fuad, but I feel that the wording you have chosen to express your feelings is not completely in line with your being a moderator.
About the original question asked by Henry:
I do like having these limits and I am in favor of keeping them. I think the quality has improved. These limits make people choose carefully which terms to ask out of several questions they may have, and so the terms asked are usually the most challenging ones. And if the number of questions they have exceeds that limit, then perhaps they'll question their knowledge in the field of that specific translation and only take up projects that fall within their field of expertise. That realization is IMHO a good thing for our profession.
About some of the comments written above regarding use of the site and non linguists:
Daniela et al., I'd like to clarify that Fuad expressed his personal opinion. Similarly I have expressed mine. Neither Fuad nor I represent the group of moderators.
I disagree with what was written regarding who should use the site and who shouldn't. As long as ProZ rules are respected, everyone is welcome to use the site to offer and receive help. I don't see people who are not professional linguists as abusers at all. I would personally call "abuser" someone who consistently posts many questions and takes advantage of my colleagues' and my willingness to help. Whether that person is a professional linguist or not is not relevant, in my opinion; and what they have written on their profile does not concern me. Are professional linguists the only ones who can contribute to this site? I think not. Are there members who are not professional linguists and who contribute to the site much more than some professional linguists? Absolutely. I would certainly not send them to a chat room or to a "nonProZ" site. Not only because they could offer valuable help on KudoZ, but also because it would not be my place to do so.
Maria
| | | | | Always in favor of non-linguists' professional use of the site | Sep 27, 2005 |
Maria Karra wrote:
Fuad Yahya wrote:
All people who are not professional linguists but who use KudoZ as entertainment are abusers of the site. They need to find a permissive, unabashedly nonprofessional chat room where they can kill the time they need to kill and have the human interaction they lack in their lives. That is why I suggested nonProZ.com for such tormented souls.
I disagree with what was written regarding who should use the site and who shouldn't. As long as ProZ rules are respected, everyone is welcome to use the site to offer and receive help.
Maria
There seems to be a myth circulating that I consideed non-linguists to be abusers of the site just by virtue of being nonlinguists, and that I wished to have them banished out of the site. I would like to state categorically that I have never favored such a view, and I have never made any such statement in this thread or anywhere else.
My statement, often quoted but rarely read (stated above), clearly refers to people who use KudoZ the way idle adolesents use chat rooms, for aimless entertainment, posting nonsense to kill time. That is the abuse I described, clearly, repeatedly, and in many threads. Most of them are indeed non-linguists, but that is not a damning characteristic. If a linguist uses the site in the same manner, that would be abusive as well.
There are many idle people who roam the Internet looking for some place to play and be played with. They think Proz.com is such a place, mainly because it is free. Most such people intend no harm, but they need to find another outlet for their creativity. Their presence in ProZ.com does not benefit them and completely corrupts the character of ProZ.com.
I do not care who uses KudoZ so long as their participation falls within the orientation of the site and the community it serves.
[Edited at 2005-09-27 00:23]
| | | | NancyLynn
Kanada
Local time: 19:42
Französisch > Englisch
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Moderator/in | Henry has stated this repeatedly | Sep 27, 2005 |
Fuad Yahya wrote:
I do not care who uses KudoZ so long as their participation falls within the orientation of the site and the community it serves.
This, to my mind, is exactly Henry's view of ProZ.com, and as he's the founder, that's the line we need to take.
KudoZ participants must behave according to the orientation of the site and the (I'll add professional) community it serves. There are agencies, jobs, tutorials, software sales on this site: all indicators that it caters to professional linguists. Non-linguists may certainly participate in a linguistic capacity.
Voilà!
Nancy
| | | | Edward Potter
Vereinigte Staaten
Local time: 19:42
Mitglied (2003)
Spanisch > Englisch
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| My two cents | Sep 27, 2005 |
I am more of an asker than an answerer. I was not aware of the change until I was restricted to just 5 questions the other day. I mentioned this to tech support and now (apparently) have a 15 limit. I would like to know where I can check what my limit now is.
I think 5 questions per day is way too low. 15 should be the minimum allowed. I personally would still like to have unlimited questions, but if I had to give a limit for myself, I suppose about 25-35 would do me. I think ... See more I am more of an asker than an answerer. I was not aware of the change until I was restricted to just 5 questions the other day. I mentioned this to tech support and now (apparently) have a 15 limit. I would like to know where I can check what my limit now is.
I think 5 questions per day is way too low. 15 should be the minimum allowed. I personally would still like to have unlimited questions, but if I had to give a limit for myself, I suppose about 25-35 would do me. I think the most I've ever asked on any given day was about 10-15, but you never know.
I appreciate everyone who has ever helped me out with kudoz. ▲ Collapse
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Claudia Iglesias
Chile
Local time: 19:42
Mitglied (2002)
Spanisch > Französisch
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| Platinum and limits | Sep 27, 2005 |
Hi Edward
I suppose that your limit of 5 questions was a glitch, full Plats are allowed to 15 questions. If you try to ask a question you'll see a frame with the information about the limits and, under it, the remaining number of questions you can ask.
Claudia
| | | | cquest
Local time: 01:42
Englisch > Polnisch
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| Agree on the principle, however... | Sep 27, 2005 |
I have also noticed that many people used to ask lots of questions, putting others' questions far down the list and sometimes limiting the feedback sought. So, I agree on the principle here.
However, one thing could be modified -
the 5 questions per day limit should apply to ONE LANGUAGE PAIR, so that the rule would not deprive us of the right to seek assistance in another language.
| | | | | Paying abusers | Sep 27, 2005 |
The message is: he who pays can abuse; he who doesn't, can't.
| | | | Fabio Descalzi
Uruguay
Local time: 20:42
Mitglied (2004)
Deutsch > Spanisch
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| Good thing - but may I suggest a correction? | Sep 27, 2005 |
Henry wrote:
We have now had the KudoZ 1/5/15 question-per-day limits in place for over a month. Question postings are down by 25 to 30%. KudoZ participants, please tell me: are we better or worse off with the limits, and why?
One post per member, please, 100 words or less. Poetic posts welcome.
Dear Henry:
Thank you for all the opportunities we have found here at ProZ.
Regarding KudoZ: it's good to have a limit in the number of questions one can ask. But perhaps it's gone a bit too far. I mean:
although 15 questions a day is a reasonable amount, sometimes it may prove to be a limitation. Especially when it's about translating very unusual texts, or very far-fetched ones, or texts that include concepts from very different fields (i.e. interdisciplinary or similar), then it's a time when TOO MANY questions do come up!!!
My suggestions:
1) from time to time, if someone has already asked his 15th question of the day, to use some BrowniZ to "buy the right" to ask one more question;
2) to establish a system of "weekly credits": instead of establishing a limit of 15 KudoZ a day, let's say 100 KudoZ a week, or similar.
What about some of those?
Hope this helps.
Best regards and go on working like this!
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Waleed Mohamed
Vereinigte Arabische Emirate
Local time: 03:42
Englisch > Arabisch
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| A suggestion for non-paying members' limit on Kudoz questions | Sep 27, 2005 |
Henry wrote:
We have now had the KudoZ 1/5/15 question-per-day limits in place for over a month. Question postings are down by 25 to 30%. KudoZ participants, please tell me: are we better or worse off with the limits, and why?
One post per member, please, 100 words or less. Poetic posts welcome.
Hello Henry,
I would suggest that non-platinum members may be allowed to exceed their Kudoz daily limit by paying out of their browniz points. For example, 10 browniz for each extra Kudoz question.
What do you say about that?
Best regards,
Waleed
| | | | df49f (X)
Frankreich
Local time: 01:42
| misreading maybe... but nothing to misunderstand | Sep 27, 2005 |
Fuad Yahya wrote:
Maria Karra wrote:
I disagree with what was written regarding who should use the site and who shouldn't. As long as ProZ rules are respected, everyone is welcome to use the site to offer and receive help.
Maria
There seems to be a myth circulating that I consideed non-linguists to be abusers of the site just by virtue of being nonlinguists, and that I wished to have them banished out of the site. I would like to state categorically that I have never favored such a view, and I have never made any such statement in this thread or anywhere else.
My statement, often quoted but rarely read (stated above), clearly refers to people who use KudoZ the way idle adolesents use chat rooms, for aimless entertainment, posting nonsense to kill time. That is the abuse I described, clearly, repeatedly, and in many threads. Most of them are indeed non-linguists, but that is not a damning characteristic. If a linguist uses the site in the same manner, that would be abusive as well."
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[Edited at 2005-09-27 00:23]
Fuad: I, for one, did NOT read your statement as it seems to have been (mis)understood by others. Provided it is read as worded, and not misread, your meaning and intent were perfectly clear. I do not feel that any applogies are needed, since no offense was either intended nor worded. Our job as translators/linguists is precisely to read the real meaning behind words, isn't it??... in this case there wasn't even any need to call on that special skill of ours to read between the lines: the statement was crystal-clear and unambiguous. Some may not like the message, and end up shooting the messenger... - and sometimes, if the shoe fits...
Bien à vous - dominique
| | | | Kim Metzger
Mexiko
Local time: 17:42
Deutsch > Englisch
| KudoZ per-day asking limits | Sep 27, 2005 |
Waleed Mohamed wrote:
I would suggest that non-platinum members may be allowed to exceed their Kudoz daily limit by paying out of their browniz points. For example, 10 browniz for each extra Kudoz question.
Hi Waleed, while I agree that we ought to find a way to help non-abusive askers who may need to exceed their limits on occasion, I fear your proposal would lead to massive peer grading of questions just to earn some browniz. It has happened before. A non-plat who wants to exceed his KudoZ limit would simply go into KudoZ and add peer comments to a hundred questions. I don't know how many browniz that would add up to, but it ought to be enough to do the trick.
Best wishes, Kim
P.S. I just checked the site FAQ: EARN Peer comments (agree/disagree) x 3 per term. So a hundred "agrees" would earn the "contributor" 300 BrowniZ and the more people who chose this method of earning BrowniZ, the less reliable our quality control system would become.
[Edited at 2005-09-27 21:41]
[Edited at 2005-09-27 21:42]
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Deutsch > Spanisch
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| Browniz for questions and kudoz for everybody | Sep 27, 2005 |
Excellent idea, fadesga! The community activity would also increase if it were possible to buy something with browniz.I would easily pay up to 1000 browniz for certain information...
fadesga wrote:
1) from time to time, if someone has already asked his 15th question of the day, to use some BrowniZ to "buy the right" to ask one more question;
2) to establish a system of "weekly credits": instead of establishing a limit of 15 KudoZ a day, let's say 100 KudoZ a week, or similar.
Talking about payments for services. As a member without platinum privileges I would like to suggest the possibility of an anonymous platinum membership which would offer all the privileges but without the obligation to use all of them. I would not mind to pay the fee, if that makes me a more appreciated member of this marvelous community, but platinum is not my material. Even as a paying member I would prefer to answer kudoz questions as a non-platinum member, because platinum status should not have any influence on the decisions of peers and answerers, but it actually has. Some players among us possibly agree with me that it is fairer play to participate without the platinum bonus. Inclusively I would suggest the possibility of anonymous answering of kudoz because it would definitely increase the reliability of the results if peers would agree or disagree only with answers and not with persons or compatriots and if only the asker knew the identity of the answerer until the question is graded.
Regards
Janfri
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moken
Local time: 00:42
Englisch > Spanisch
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| BrowniZ, agrees and KudoZ | Sep 28, 2005 |
Hi
I'm glad other users have picked up on and commented this suggestion.
I agree, BrowniZ used to extend the number of questions asked might be a good alternative. But I wouldn't 'sell' extra Kudoz cheap. This would mean people wouldn't need to think twice about posting extra questions. 50, 100, maybe more BrowniZ to ask extra KudoZ might make you dig into your own resources before asking more Q's.
I agree, peer agrees are far too easy a way to earn Browni... See more Hi
I'm glad other users have picked up on and commented this suggestion.
I agree, BrowniZ used to extend the number of questions asked might be a good alternative. But I wouldn't 'sell' extra Kudoz cheap. This would mean people wouldn't need to think twice about posting extra questions. 50, 100, maybe more BrowniZ to ask extra KudoZ might make you dig into your own resources before asking more Q's.
I agree, peer agrees are far too easy a way to earn BrowniZ and reduce their value. I think other types of site usage and ProZ cooperation should be encouraged and I'd do away with BrowniZ for agrees.
Regards,
Álvaro  )) ▲ Collapse
| | | | | Please don't make KudoZ anonymous! | Sep 28, 2005 |
Inclusively I would suggest the possibility of anonymous answering of kudoz because it would definitely increase the reliability of the results if peers would agree or disagree only with answers and not with persons or compatriots and if only the asker knew the identity of the answerer until the question is graded.
I really hope we are all above the level of disagreeing or agreeing with our friends or compatriots purely on the basis of who they are or where they are from! I think it's essential to see the identity of your answerers; you very quickly learn on KudoZ whose answers you can rely on and whose are just wild guesses/uninformed rubbish. Not being able to see an answerer's identity (and thus either verify their expertise by looking at their profile or points or using your previous experience of their answers to help in your decision) would make the whole thing pointless ('scuse the pun ).
I also think that the practice of earning BrowniZ for agrees/disagrees should be abolished, especially if they are going to be used as a means to boost your KudoZ limits. People would just post agrees/disagrees everywhere in order to earn BrowniZ - this would render the Agree/Disagree system completely useless as a means of quality control.
[Edited at 2005-09-28 14:24]
| | | | Steffen Walter
Deutschland
Local time: 01:42
Mitglied (2002)
Englisch > Deutsch
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| My sentiment exactly, Hilary | Sep 28, 2005 |
Hilary Davies wrote:
I really hope we are all above the level of disagreeing or agreeing with our friends or compatriots purely on the basis of who they are or where they are from! I think it's essential to see the identity of your answerers; you very quickly learn on KudoZ whose answers you can rely on and whose are just wild guesses/uninformed rubbish.
Long-term members (Kim?) might tell you a word or two regarding the KudoZ system layout way back in 1999/2000/2001? when peer grading had in fact been anonymous, and - quite clearly - not to its advantage. When coming across older KudoZ questions, you'll notice the numbers instead of names appearing in peer grades.
Steffen
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