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VAT or no VAT? Client in Norway Initiator des Themas: fr54ert
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Hello everyone,
Anyone VIES-registered (=valid EU VAT number) issuing invoices to business clients in Norway?
I have a EU-VAT number (VIES). Located in Spain.
My EU business clients (companies) with valid EU-VAT numbers I do not charge VAT. My NON-EU business clients in Iceland and in the US I do not charge VAT either.
I have a new business client in Norway. Am I understanding correctly that invoices should be issued without VAT? Or are there ... See more Hello everyone,
Anyone VIES-registered (=valid EU VAT number) issuing invoices to business clients in Norway?
I have a EU-VAT number (VIES). Located in Spain.
My EU business clients (companies) with valid EU-VAT numbers I do not charge VAT. My NON-EU business clients in Iceland and in the US I do not charge VAT either.
I have a new business client in Norway. Am I understanding correctly that invoices should be issued without VAT? Or are there some particular rules applying to Norway?
Is there any need to register my foreign business activities in Norway, similar to the rules in Ireland?
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I have a very sporadic client in Norway. All invoices have been issued without VAT.
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RobinB 
Vereinigte Staaten
Local time: 03:27
Deutsch > Englisch
Norway is a "third country" for VAT purposes.
What do you mean by registering your business activities in Ireland?
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fr54ert
Local time: 10:27
THEMENSTARTER
Thank you Maria and Robin, much appreciated.
Robin, there is a requirement for any contractor who is paid anything over €10k per year to have a current Tax Clearance Certificate – this even applies to non-resident contractors. It requires the completion of a TC1 form. Its been a few years but I recall after the contract period ended claiming back PSWT withheld from a client in Ireland via a lengthy administrative procedure.
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Samuel Murray
Niederlande
Local time: 10:27
Mitglied (2006)
Englisch > Afrikaans
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Norway is not on the list of countries that you can check an EU VAT number for (if you go to the VIES website and select the question about which countries are included). So, I would consider them the same as the US or UK -- they're a "third" country, i.e. VAT is not shifted.
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Tom in London
Vereinigtes Königreich
Local time: 09:27
Mitglied (2008)
Italienisch > Englisch
RobinB wrote:
Norway is a "third country" for VAT purposes.
What do you mean by registering your business activities in Ireland?
Iceland or Ireland ?? One letter can make a difference!
[Edited at 2023-09-06 07:33 GMT]
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Monica RW
Local time: 10:27
Mitglied (2015)
Englisch > Polnisch
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| VAT for foreign customers | Sep 6, 2023 |
Hi, I am also registered in Spain and I have the EU VAT No. The rule is simple: you do not add any VAT for any foreign customers who are companies (EU or non-EU alike). I was told to add Spanish VAT only to customers in Spain (companies + natural persons), and to all foreign natural persons. The same rule was applied when I was registered in another EU country earlier. Never had any problem with it.
[Edited at 2023-09-06 07:43 GMT]
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Monica RW
Local time: 10:27
Mitglied (2015)
Englisch > Polnisch
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| VAT for foreign customers | Sep 6, 2023 |
Hi, I am also registered in Spain and I have the EU VAT No. The rule is simple: you do not add any VAT for any foreign customers who are companies (EU or non-EU alike). I was told to add Spanish VAT only to customers in Spain (companies + natural persons), and to all foreign natural persons. Never had any problem with it.
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Samuel Murray
Niederlande
Local time: 10:27
Mitglied (2006)
Englisch > Afrikaans
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Monica RW wrote:
The rule [in Spain] is simple: you do not add any VAT for any foreign customers who are companies (EU or non-EU alike). I was told to add Spanish VAT only to customers in Spain (companies + natural persons), and to all foreign natural persons.
Okay, but that's kind of odd, because most in most EU countries (the ones that charge EU VAT), you have to add a comment like "VAT shifted" to the invoice of clients in other EU countries, and you have to add the client's VAT number to the invoice, and you may also be required to declare the EU turnover when you file your taxes.
The rule of treating natural persons and companies differently also applies or used to apply in some other EU countries, e.g. in my country (Netherlands), where natural persons outside the EU used to be charged VAT a few years ago, but these days clients outside the EU don't pay VAT, even if they're a natural person. I mention this because it's possible that the rule had also changed in Spain... i.e. in the past, that was the rule, but now the rule has changed.
[Edited at 2023-09-06 12:36 GMT]
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fr54ert
Local time: 10:27
THEMENSTARTER
Tom in London wrote:
RobinB wrote:
Norway is a "third country" for VAT purposes.
What do you mean by registering your business activities in Ireland?
Iceland or Ireland ?? One letter can make a difference! [Edited at 2023-09-06 07:33 GMT]
Ireland, see my comment above on requirements.
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fr54ert
Local time: 10:27
THEMENSTARTER
Samuel Murray wrote:
Monica RW wrote:
The rule [in Spain] is simple: you do not add any VAT for any foreign customers who are companies (EU or non-EU alike). I was told to add Spanish VAT only to customers in Spain (companies + natural persons), and to all foreign natural persons.
Okay, but that's kind of odd, because most in most EU countries (the ones that charge EU VAT), you have to add a comment like "VAT shifted" to the invoice of clients in other EU countries, and you have to add the client's VAT number to the invoice, and you may also be required to declare the EU turnover when you file your taxes.
The rule of treating natural persons and companies differently also applies or used to apply in some other EU countries, e.g. in my country (Netherlands), where natural persons outside the EU used to be charged VAT a few years ago, but these days clients outside the EU don't pay VAT, even if they're a natural person. I mention this because it's possible that the rule had also changed in Spain... i.e. in the past, that was the rule, but now the rule has changed. [Edited at 2023-09-06 12:36 GMT]
You are both right. I have the same understanding as Monica, if services are sold B2B. Goods B2B may have VAT charge requirements based on which EU Member State. And I do as Samuel suggested. In all of my invoices I add a VAT exempt reference in application to CD 2006/112/EC as amended by CD 2008/8/EC and by CD 2020/1756.
Thank you again everyone. Very useful forum exchange as always. If someone has questions on any other country I am happy to help - I have provided services in 18 of the 27 EU Member States, and also to numerous countries beyond the EU.
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petrak3
Tschechische Republik
Local time: 10:27
Englisch > Tschechisch
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About this registering requirement... Are any of you registered for these purposes in any other country where your client resides? Is there any such requirement for providing translations for US business clients?
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fr54ert
Local time: 10:27
THEMENSTARTER | Misunderstanding | Sep 6, 2023 |
petrak3 wrote:
About this registering requirement... Are any of you registered for these purposes in any other country where your client resides? Is there any such requirement for providing translations for US business clients?
I am sure this is a misunderstanding. We were simply referring to being registered in VIES. This has nothing to do with translations but with your business structure. Its about getting a valid EU-VAT number.
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Samuel Murray
Niederlande
Local time: 10:27
Mitglied (2006)
Englisch > Afrikaans
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fr54ert wrote:
petrak3 wrote:
About this registering requirement... Are any of you registered for these purposes in any other country where your client resides?
I am sure this is a misunderstanding. We were simply referring to being registered in VIES. This has nothing to do with translations but with your business structure. Its about getting a valid EU-VAT number.
There are situations in which even EU businesses or freelancers have to register in the country of the client, but I'm not sure if this applies to translators.
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RobinB
Vereinigte Staaten
Local time: 03:27
Deutsch > Englisch
Just as a matter of record, there is one exception to the "no-VAT rule". If your business is in a third (non-EU) country and you sell goods or services to customers in the EU who DON'T have a VAT number (mostly retail clients, but also some government agencies), you will have to register your business for VAT with the national tax authority of one (i.e. any) EU member state (I chose Ireland because registering and paying VAT is exceptionally easy). One of my clients is a government authority in ... See more Just as a matter of record, there is one exception to the "no-VAT rule". If your business is in a third (non-EU) country and you sell goods or services to customers in the EU who DON'T have a VAT number (mostly retail clients, but also some government agencies), you will have to register your business for VAT with the national tax authority of one (i.e. any) EU member state (I chose Ireland because registering and paying VAT is exceptionally easy). One of my clients is a government authority in an EU member state, and I have to charge them VAT at the national rate. They pay it to me, and I remit it to the Irish tax authority (Revenue) once a quarter. I can even pay by credit card (that's how easy it is).
As the UK is also now a "third country", translators who sell translations to these clients in the EU must also register for VAT (as a "one-stop shop"). It doesn't actually cost anything, just takes about 20 minutes a quarter to file and pay.
Robin ▲ Collapse
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