Jan 3, 2009 16:43
15 yrs ago
English term

tidal gate

English to German Tech/Engineering Ships, Sailing, Maritime
Context: Scotland, Hebrides, sailing

"... tidal gates can affect your arrival/departure times"

I've found "Siel", "Seegatt" and "Fluttor". I'm guessing it's not the latter. Would "Seegatt" be correct?

I'd appreciate any and all input.

Thanks a lot!
Change log

Jan 3, 2009 19:03: Steffen Walter changed "Term asked" from "Tidal gate" to "tidal gate" , "Field" from "Other" to "Tech/Engineering"

Votes to reclassify question as PRO/non-PRO:

Non-PRO (1): Harald Moelzer (medical-translator)

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Discussion

David Moore (X) Jan 5, 2009:
Hello Annika; I see the problem. However, with the German angle, I wonder if the portmanteau word (of which the Germans are prone to make use, as we all know!) "Gezeitenzeitfenster" might suit?
Annika Neudecker (asker) Jan 4, 2009:
Tiden-Zeitfenster / ideale Gezeitenphase Nochmals vielen Dank für alle Vorschläge und Links! Ich habe in der Zwischenzeit einen erfahrenen Segler kontaktiert, der mir genau erklärt hat, was ein "Tidal Gate" (im Kontext "Hebriden") ist: Es handelt sich hierbei nicht um ein "Tor" oder eine "Schleuse", sondern um einen Zeitraum, in dem die Gezeitenphase für ein nautisches Vorhaben in einem bestimmten Seegebiet ideal ist. Gute Übersetzungen wären daher "Tiden-Zeitfenster" oder "optimale/ideale Gezeitenphase".

Davids "Kylerhea tidal gate"-Link hat mir hier am meisten weitergeholfen (Yes, David, the text is indeed about the "tidal gates" around the Isle of Skye.). Auch Andreas Links waren sehr hilfreich!

Was nun? Wer kriegt die KudoZ-Punkt? Hmmm ....




Annika Neudecker (asker) Jan 3, 2009:
Thanks for all suggestions. At this point, I'm a bit confused because I'm just not sure whether the word "Tor" implies "man-made"? I'm not sure if said "tidal gates" are man-made or not. Does that line of thinking have any impact on your answers?

Proposed translations

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Gezeitentor oder Siel

http://www.mijnwoordenboek.nl/EN/theme/TV/DE/EN/G/5

http://books.google.de/books?id=Ma_HRIBQJmIC&pg=PA213&lpg=PA...



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Annika, ich habe noch folgende Definition (neben der wasserbaulichen) gefunden:
tidal gate:
"A place where the tide runs with great velocity, as through a gate."
http://dictionary.die.net/tide gate

That might actually fit better here. In the technical Dictionary it is translated with "Tidenstrich", but that term does not get any Ghits at all.
http://books.google.de/books?id=6BGx4f6tAHYC&pg=PA787&lpg=PA...

Also hier eine Engstelle, an der durch den Gezeitenstrom eine hohe Strömung, tiefes Wasser oder sonstige Gefahren für das die Boote entstehen.

Hope that helps :))

Noch ein link:
Das nächste "Tidal Gate" war der Sound of Islay. Auch hier erfordert der Tidenstrom von 3-4 Knoten eine genaue Zeitplanung.
Der Sound of Iona war wieder ein "Tidal Gate", diesmal weniger wegen der Strömung, sondern wegen der Wassertiefe.
http://www.segeli.com/hebriden.html
Peer comment(s):

agree Kim Metzger
1 min
Thank you, Kim :))
agree Carmela Prestia
3 mins
Thank you, Carmela :))
agree Erik Freitag : Gezeitentor. Siel ist zu speziell.
55 mins
Dankeschön :))
agree Konrad Schultz : oder TIdentor (wenn auch selten zu googeln), nicht Siel
3 hrs
Dankeschön, Konrad :))
agree Susanne Stöckl : Ich finde Gezeitentor passend
17 hrs
Dankeschön, Susanne :))
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9 mins

Fluttor

Fluttor ist richtig vgl. http://dict.tu-chemnitz.de
Allebfalls könnte man "Flutsperre" verwenden als Hinweis auf den Zweck
Peer comment(s):

agree Rolf Kern : Ich tippe auf Fluttor, da wesentlich mehr Google-Treffer als Gezeitentor.
1 hr
Danke Rolf und e guets Neus!
agree Harald Moelzer (medical-translator) : mit Rolf; http://www.dict.cc/deutsch-englisch/Fluttor.html
19 hrs
Danke, Harald
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1 hr

Gezeitenschleuse, Tidenschleuse

Gezeit(en) und Tide(n) sind Synonyme: http://lexikon.meyers.de/wissen/Gezeiten (Sachartikel).

Tidenschleuse:
http://www.dooyoo.de/reiseziele-international/pas-de-calais/

Gezeitenschleuse:
http://www.architektur-technik.ch/Web/internetaxt.nsf/0/A0C3...$file/Hafencity.pdf?OpenElement

Schleusen werden teils auch einfach als gates oder floodgates bezeichnet. Hier eine Beschreibung zu 'floodgate': http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floodgate
'Fluttor' ist im Prinzip die wörtliche Übersetzung von 'floodgate', wobei sich 'tidal' eigentlich auf Tiden/Gezeiten bezieht, also den Wechsel von Flut und Ebbe.

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3 hrs

Seegatt

Don't be confused, Annika; it can be either. Here. I think it has to be your own "Seegatt".

If your text is referring to "Kylerhea" tidal gate, it's natural, and is one of very few around the British Isles. It lies between the Isle of Skye and mainland Scotland, and the 1878 Edition of the Royal Tourist Handbook to the Highlands and Islands warned that in Kyle Rhea "the tides race at 7 and 8 miles an hour, and with a head gale might baffle the steamers to force a passage. In southerly storms the wind against the tide creates an extraordinary uproar".

There are others, but this one seems to be the best known.

http://www.undiscoveredscotland.co.uk/skye/glenelgferry/

and for the Seegatt definition:

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seegatt
Peer comment(s):

agree Schtroumpf : Aus dem Bauch und Kontext heraus (Revier) kommt mir das hier am logischsten vor.
20 hrs
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2 days 1 hr

Tidenfenster

Nach Davids Erklärung paßt das genau ausweislich der G-Funde

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oder Gezeitenfenster
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